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  • mike95490
    mike95490 Solar Expert Posts: 9,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
    #32
    softdown said:
    Everyone agrees that the 60,000 watt claim is likely ludicrous. It is a 24 volt inverter by the way.

    A 750 mcm cable could possibly handle the voltage for several seconds? As memory serves....that cable has almost four times the mass of a 4/0 cable.

    What kind of cable are used on electric chairs? They have to be huge.
    Copper handles Amps
    Insulation handles Voltage

    Electric chairs use voltage, the human body resistance requires more voltage, only takes 10mA to stop the heart

    and from the intertubes:
    "The first execution used a voltage of about 1,700, although it was not officially recorded. The voltage has tended to increase over time and in the modern era the voltage is usually 2,000 to 2,200 volts at seven to twelve amps."


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  • mcgivor
    mcgivor Solar Expert Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2016 #33
    So get a step up transformer 1:10 hook it up to this Power Jack and finally there will be a use for it, an electric chair....... because it's doubtful it can do what they claim.
    1500W, 6× Schutten 250W Poly panels , Schneider MPPT 60 150 CC, Schneider SW 2524 inverter, 400Ah LFP 24V nominal battery with Battery Bodyguard BMS 
    Second system 1890W  3 × 300W No name brand poly, 3×330 Sunsolar Poly panels, Morningstar TS 60 PWM controller, no name 2000W inverter 400Ah LFP 24V nominal battery with Daly BMS, used for water pumping and day time air conditioning.  
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  • softdown
    softdown Solar Expert Posts: 3,896 ✭✭✭✭
    #34
    Doubtful indeed. Yet at ~155 pounds, it is likely to be quite powerful. Copper windings are not cheap.
    First Bank:16 180 watt Grape Solar with  FM80 controller and 3648 Inverter....Fullriver 8D AGM solar batteries. Second Bank/MacGyver Special: 10 165(?) watt BP Solar with Renogy MPPT 40A controller/ and Xantrex C-35 PWM controller/ and Morningstar PWM controller...Cotek 24V PSW inverter....forklift and diesel locomotive batteries
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  • mcgivor
    mcgivor Solar Expert Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    #35
    Don't forget to look for the bag of sand, hear the Chinese are moving their real estate one bag at a time.
    1500W, 6× Schutten 250W Poly panels , Schneider MPPT 60 150 CC, Schneider SW 2524 inverter, 400Ah LFP 24V nominal battery with Battery Bodyguard BMS 
    Second system 1890W  3 × 300W No name brand poly, 3×330 Sunsolar Poly panels, Morningstar TS 60 PWM controller, no name 2000W inverter 400Ah LFP 24V nominal battery with Daly BMS, used for water pumping and day time air conditioning.  
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  • littleharbor2
    littleharbor2 Solar Expert Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭✭✭
    #36
    At that price I highly doubt the windings are even made of copper.

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  • softdown
    softdown Solar Expert Posts: 3,896 ✭✭✭✭
    #37
    It was $1000 at Amazon...seems to have disappeared. Don't think I have seen windings that are not copper.
    First Bank:16 180 watt Grape Solar with  FM80 controller and 3648 Inverter....Fullriver 8D AGM solar batteries. Second Bank/MacGyver Special: 10 165(?) watt BP Solar with Renogy MPPT 40A controller/ and Xantrex C-35 PWM controller/ and Morningstar PWM controller...Cotek 24V PSW inverter....forklift and diesel locomotive batteries
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  • littleharbor2
    littleharbor2 Solar Expert Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2016 #38
    My comment was sarcasm, but you never know.
    Maybe copper clad aluminum.
    This entire thread was meant to be on a sarcastic note, at least from my angle.

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  • mike95490
    mike95490 Solar Expert Posts: 9,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
    #39
    mcgivor said:
    Don't forget to look for the bag of sand, hear the Chinese are moving their real estate one bag at a time.
    There is a "bag of sand" ballast in orbit right now.  The payload internals changed, and weight was added to keep things balanced per the original plan.  Sand got a free flight into space.  Carefully washed and bagged so as to not outgas anything.
    And I think some clone brand of test equipment installed iron weights in their gear to more closely emulate HP gear in the 80's

    Powerfab top of pole PV mount | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
    || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
    || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

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  • mike95490
    mike95490 Solar Expert Posts: 9,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
    #40
    softdown said:
    It was $1000 at Amazon...seems to have disappeared. Don't think I have seen windings that are not copper.
    Oh yes, aluminum windings are common.  Usually discovered about 3 years in, as they start to fail at the splices.
    Powerfab top of pole PV mount | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
    || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
    || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

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    gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister ,

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  • Dave Angelini
    Dave Angelini Solar Expert Posts: 6,891 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    #41
    mike95490 said:
    mcgivor said:
    Don't forget to look for the bag of sand, hear the Chinese are moving their real estate one bag at a time.
    There is a "bag of sand" ballast in orbit right now.  The payload internals changed, and weight was added to keep things balanced per the original plan.  Sand got a free flight into space.  Carefully washed and bagged so as to not outgas anything.
    And I think some clone brand of test equipment installed iron weights in their gear to more closely emulate HP gear in the 80's

    I still have a special ache in my back from lifting those HP Spec Ans, Sig gens, and Network Anylyzers. :)
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  • softdown
    softdown Solar Expert Posts: 3,896 ✭✭✭✭
    #42
    UPS really outdid themselves this time. Appears to have been dropped about two feet. Look at the large bolt head at the bottom of the unit. Some of the racking busted loose. Weighs 102 pounds instead of 150. The coil is wrapped.....could indeed be aluminum instead of copper for weight and dollar savings.

    Seemed decent enough until UPS got a hold of it. Electronics are often not built to be dropped. The handling was so severe that I wonder if the government got a hold of it.

    Yes....I gambled on it for a few reasons.
    First Bank:16 180 watt Grape Solar with  FM80 controller and 3648 Inverter....Fullriver 8D AGM solar batteries. Second Bank/MacGyver Special: 10 165(?) watt BP Solar with Renogy MPPT 40A controller/ and Xantrex C-35 PWM controller/ and Morningstar PWM controller...Cotek 24V PSW inverter....forklift and diesel locomotive batteries
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  • Tecnodave
    Tecnodave Registered Users Posts: 437 ✭✭✭✭
    #43

    Power Jack just won't quit!

    this from eBay today


    https://www.ebay.com/itm/15000w-LF-pure-sine-wave-SPLITE-PHASE-power-inverter-dc-24v-ac110V-220V/322254311539?_trkparms=aid%3D444000%26algo%3DSOI.DEFAULT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140620080710%26meid%3D1689feb244b34689a751b1719ea10a93%26pid%3D100013%26rk%3D5%26rkt%3D6%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D322330777403%26itm%3D322254311539&_trksid=p2047675.c100013.m1986

    Same claim in a smaller box even looks same. Does anyone beleive that!

    david

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