Liquid battery break through

lafayette

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I would like to know what people think this battery and its potential in the market.

New residential liquid storage battery (not lithium-ion)
12 kwh storage
3 kw continuous wattage, no peak (this may be improved)
15 year warranty at 90% capacity 
No moving parts
Environmentally friendly
Physically safe
4' x 3' x 2' size
$6,500 including inverter (estimate)

New battery coming out of a major US University. 

I would like to know how you think this new battery will do against Tesla Powerwall, LG Chem, Sonnan and all lithium-ion batteries in general.

Your help will be appreciated in the development of this battery.

Photowhit

I'd look into it, Like to see  what additional add on assuming battery only units cost. 

And if the warranty is good for cycling use.  The Tesla is but somewhat conditional now, wasn't for a long time.

mcgivor

More details would be helpful, like what chemistry is used, charging requirements, environmental limitations, etcetera. 

icarus

Snake oiled powered until we get some more detail?  Tony

mike95490

Vaporware, AFIK.

3Kw, no peak ?  How's the inverter going to start a well pump ?   My base load is about 250w for a large ranch, but to run pumps, I have a 6WK inverter.

What's the recharge efficiency  ?

Did you study up on the failed Salt Water Battery ?  It too had limited output power.

Totally unbelievable till there is some actual documentation, not sales pitch.

lafayette

This battery is not for every situation.  We have made a major break through, combining the best of redox and lithium-ion batteries. This is the first battery to do so.  Small, inexpensive,  long cycling, environmentally neutral and physically safe. It is still in development but we hope to get it to market soon. We are at present working on a prototype cell.

Photowhit

hw tolerant is it to cold?

bill von novak

lafayette said:

This battery is not for every situation.  We have made a major break through, combining the best of redox and lithium-ion batteries. This is the first battery to do so.  Small, inexpensive,  long cycling, environmentally neutral and physically safe. 

Sounds like Aquion!  I certainly hope you have better luck than them.

softdown

Well - we were overdue for another battery breakthrough. Wish them well of course. 

lafayette

Thank all of you for your comments.  No we are not going to be another Aquion.  The battery is a break through, but based on well established chemistry with some twists.  We also have a new architecture which allows for no moving parts. Temperature has not been an issue in preliminary testing, but more will be done.

mike95490

This is not a breakthrough. this is a lab project.

icarus

How can one offer a 15 year warrantee in a product that doesn’t exist?  (Not to mention other specs/claims?)

Is this trolling?

tony

BB.

I don't know... Could be very excited about a development he is part of--But limited in what he can say at this time.

However, a prototype cell is a long way from volume production and a multiple units in the field.

There has been talk/work done on Redox batteries supported with Li Ion to improve overall performance... Can't tell from what is posted here what is exactly is this project.

-Bill

mike95490

What do we, educated consumers and engineers want to know ?

Chemistry.  Just roughly, none of the magic dust.

Power Density and how easily can it scale

Volume & Weight

Secondary containment requirements

Upper and lower thermal limits

Safe operating voltage ranges - will my generic inverter be able to use the power.

And it must work with existing gear/setups.  No point in buying a $40 battery if it needs the special $50K charger.