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mountainman
mountainman Registered Users Posts: 439 ✭✭
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With a 400 ah 12 volt Battery and 2 190 panels and 4 100 watt panels.
Which would work better?
With 2 controllers I could 
1  use the 2 190 panels on a 30 amp mppt controller and the 4 100s on a separate 30 amp.

2 use the 2 190s  and  3 100s on a 40 or 50 amp cc.
Then use the remaining 100 watt panel on another controller.


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  • mcgivor
    mcgivor Solar Expert Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
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    Method 1 keeps like panels working together, which is probably the better of the two. 
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  • mountainman
    mountainman Registered Users Posts: 439 ✭✭
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    Would using pwm on one array and mppt on the other be a problem as long as both controllers were set with like voltage and absorb times.
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  • Estragon
    Estragon Registered Users Posts: 4,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Should be fine.  I have small pwm arrays as well as larger mppt on both my banks.
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  • mountainman
    mountainman Registered Users Posts: 439 ✭✭
    edited November 2019 #5
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    Is it possible that during long summer days with pwm.
     To have 2 arrays on the same controller in different directions.
     2 SE and 2 SW for longer charge absorb times.
    With the advantage of slightly less over night use from batteries.

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  • Estragon
    Estragon Registered Users Posts: 4,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    My understanding is it isn't a good idea to have different array orientations on a single mppt controller, as it can make finding a max power point a problem.
    Off-grid.  
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  • mcgivor
    mcgivor Solar Expert Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
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    Estragon said:
    My understanding is it isn't a good idea to have different array orientations on a single mppt controller, as it can make finding a max power point a problem.


    With PWM different orientation on a single controller would not be an issue, which was the question.
    mountainman said:
    Is it possible that during long summer days with pwm.
     To have 2 arrays on the same controller in different directions.
     2 SE and 2 SW for longer charge absorb times.
    With the advantage of slightly less over night use from batteries.


    1500W, 6× Schutten 250W Poly panels , Schneider MPPT 60 150 CC, Schneider SW 2524 inverter, 400Ah LFP 24V nominal battery with Battery Bodyguard BMS 
    Second system 1890W  3 × 300W No name brand poly, 3×330 Sunsolar Poly panels, Morningstar TS 60 PWM controller, no name 2000W inverter 400Ah LFP 24V nominal battery with Daly BMS, used for water pumping and day time air conditioning.  
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  • Estragon
    Estragon Registered Users Posts: 4,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Sorry, missed the pwm reference.  Post 3 referenced both mppt and pwm.
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  • mountainman
    mountainman Registered Users Posts: 439 ✭✭
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    Thanks @Estragon and  @mcgivor.     sorry for the confusion.
    Think I may have worded it wrong. 
     On pwm Would it be better to use 3 aimed se.
    And 1 sw since in the morning bulk needs more power than absorb in the afternoon?

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  • Estragon
    Estragon Registered Users Posts: 4,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Yes, AFAIK with pwm the differently aimed panels will just put out more or less current than others on the controller.  Pwm doesn't track max power point, so the mismatch shouldn't matter much. 

    I assume the panels are 4 in parallel.  I wouldn't split a series string across different orientations.
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  • mountainman
    mountainman Registered Users Posts: 439 ✭✭
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    Yes all 4 are in parallel.
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