Jerry rigging bug light with burned out bulb?

softdownsoftdown Posts: 1,879Solar Expert ✭✭✭✭
I bought this 80's vintage bug light for $3 knowing that the fluorescent bulb didn't work. It is an Amcor Katlan 25, it was the "Cadillac" of bug friars in its heyday. Weighs a good 15 pounds of "vintage American steel "and was built to last. 

The electrical grid that fries the bugs still works. The 15" blue T8 fluorescent bug light is no longer available. The manufacturer is still in business making other stuff. They have not responded to my contact. T8 means the bulb is .8" wide (T12s are 1.2" wide). 15" seems to be the issue with finding a blue bulb.

We have a couple good Mcgivor's here. I think it would work with any blue bulb close to the bug frying grid. Ideas? 

Yes....I do a lot of unusual things. Thanks.
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  • EstragonEstragon Posts: 2,764Registered Users ✭✭✭✭
    It seems to me bugs like white light too. Maybe it was blue to make it less annoying to humans but still attract bugs?

    If you want blue, how about a strip of blue LEDs stuck to the reflector where the old bulb would go?
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  • softdownsoftdown Posts: 1,879Solar Expert ✭✭✭✭
    edited May 24 #3
    Estragon said:
    It seems to me bugs like white light too. Maybe it was blue to make it less annoying to humans but still attract bugs?

    If you want blue, how about a strip of blue LEDs stuck to the reflector where the old bulb would go?
    Sounds like a winning plan. There is no reflector however. 

    Anybody know of blue "stick on" LEDs? 
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  • EstragonEstragon Posts: 2,764Registered Users ✭✭✭✭
    Getting a little carried away, but something like this could look pretty cool...
    http://www.leevalley.com/en/Hardware/page.aspx?p=72803&cat=3,43349,71436
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  • softdownsoftdown Posts: 1,879Solar Expert ✭✭✭✭
    This ought to work: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00X84LSBU/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    Let me know if such linking is verboten.
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  • softdownsoftdown Posts: 1,879Solar Expert ✭✭✭✭
    Estragon said:
    Getting a little carried away, but something like this could look pretty cool...
    http://www.leevalley.com/en/Hardware/page.aspx?p=72803&cat=3,43349,71436
    Neat idea in many ways. Bit costly by the time one adds power supply/wiring, color controller, and switch..
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  • BB.BB. Posts: 27,782Super Moderators admin
    Links to sites that answer questions are fine.

    I tend to avoid EBay links because they go "stale" so quickly.

    -Bill "moderator" B.
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  • EstragonEstragon Posts: 2,764Registered Users ✭✭✭✭
    > @softdown said:
    > Estragon said:
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    > Getting a little carried away, but something like this could look pretty cool...
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    > http://www.leevalley.com/en/Hardware/page.aspx?p=72803&cat=3,43349,71436
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    > Neat idea in many ways. Bit costly by the time one adds power supply/wiring, color controller, and switch..

    Yup, definitely spendy and frivolous. Sometimes I do stuff like that, just because :blush:

    The aquarium light looks like it should get'er done.
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  • softdownsoftdown Posts: 1,879Solar Expert ✭✭✭✭
    Estragon said:
    > @softdown said:
    > Estragon said:
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    > Getting a little carried away, but something like this could look pretty cool...
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    > http://www.leevalley.com/en/Hardware/page.aspx?p=72803&cat=3,43349,71436
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    > Neat idea in many ways. Bit costly by the time one adds power supply/wiring, color controller, and switch..

    Yup, definitely spendy and frivolous. Sometimes I do stuff like that, just because :blush:

    The aquarium light looks like it should get'er done.
    My money goes to extortion level property taxes.....$9000/year. Keeps me as poor as a church mouse.
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  • solarvicsolarvic Posts: 1,048Solar Expert ✭✭✭
     I liked the idea about the light from amazon. An idea I have is to put a string of blue rope lights. 
  • softdownsoftdown Posts: 1,879Solar Expert ✭✭✭✭
    solarvic said:
     I liked the idea about the light from amazon. An idea I have is to put a string of blue rope lights. 
    My rope lights are flexible and appear to be sturdy due to surrounding flexible PVC. Not very bright though. 
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  • westbranchwestbranch Posts: 5,087Solar Expert ✭✭✭✭
    It looks like like they now use some sort of UV light in the zappers  and replacements are available on Amazons  site... as well as other chain store retailers for ~$20 or less
     
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  • softdownsoftdown Posts: 1,879Solar Expert ✭✭✭✭
    It looks like like they now use some sort of UV light in the zappers  and replacements are available on Amazons  site... as well as other chain store retailers for ~$20 or less
    Interesting. Not sure but have been told that UV lights are just ordinary fluorescents without a coating on the glass tube.

    The blue LED strip previously mentioned works well. Ran it indoors all night and zapped nothing. Hoped it would attract flies....always seem to have 1-2 in the morning. Probably due to goats in the area, they like to sleep next to the house. Moved their "goat house"  but they stayed next to house. The blue light and bug zapper doesn't seem to attract flies. Not surprised or they would be widely used in horse stables etc. 

    Don't get goats. They walk in every time a door is left open for a bit. They chew on everything. If I could eat pets, I would. One is cool, very dog like. The other is a demon who torments me.
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  • BB.BB. Posts: 27,782Super Moderators admin
    Fluorescent lamps are low pressure mercury arc lamps... And produce from UVC (hard UV radiation) into the visible light spectrum.

    For lighting, the glass chosen for the tub blocks the hard UV radiation and the phosphors down convert from UV to visible spectrum light.

    The Wiki Article is pretty interesting:


    -Bill

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  • softdownsoftdown Posts: 1,879Solar Expert ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 7 #15
    BB. said:
    Fluorescent lamps are low pressure mercury arc lamps... And produce from UVC (hard UV radiation) into the visible light spectrum.

    For lighting, the glass chosen for the tub blocks the hard UV radiation and the phosphors down convert from UV to visible spectrum light.

    The Wiki Article is pretty interesting:


    -Bill

    Thanks....I should have remembered more about the phosphors. There still seems a possibility that UV bulbs differ only in glass, glass coating, and phosphors....which is everything that determines the light spectrum emitted by a fluorescent bulb.

    They usually encase UV bulbs in more "specialty type" sizes. Perhaps they used to use T5 frequently before that size became common? I have seen several UV bulbs that were quite slim.

     As has been mentioned before, it is not unusual for T5 bulbs to have very short lives. I think the ballast is a common culprit? This is unrelated to UV bulbs by the way. 
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  • mike95490mike95490 Posts: 7,873Solar Expert ✭✭✭✭
    softdown said:

    Don't get goats. They walk in every time a door is left open for a bit. They chew on everything. If I could eat pets, I would. One is cool, very dog like. The other is a demon who torments me.
    There is a reason Jesus is portrayed as a lamb, and the Devil as a goat  !!
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  • softdownsoftdown Posts: 1,879Solar Expert ✭✭✭✭
    mike95490 said:
    softdown said:

    Don't get goats. They walk in every time a door is left open for a bit. They chew on everything. If I could eat pets, I would. One is cool, very dog like. The other is a demon who torments me.
    There is a reason Jesus is portrayed as a lamb, and the Devil as a goat  !!
    I wasn't very country savvy when I built this place so I listened to my builder neighbor. He said to float my property (drag a flat, heavy plate around). This killed the vegetation but looked great for a few months. Then tumbleweeds grew where grass had grown.

    He said to get goats, they eat tumbleweeds. Another huge mistake. Goats like paper and cardboard the best. Some paper is important. I leave doors open when running around this place carrying heavy stuff. Guess who comes in and chews on everything? Eating really important papers when given the chance. 

    I have visualized shooting the demon goat many times. Then the good goat would be miserable, they need company. Building a few acre fence has its problems as well. Takes a few acres to support much is this desert like environment. Have to admit to usually spoiling pets, let alone shooting and eating them. Couldn't do it unless situation was dire.

    LIfe has so many difficulties when getting much done. So I tried doing almost nothing for awhile. Very little went wrong but boring as hell. Painfully boring at times. 
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