schneider AGS I only have this to say

the manual for the AGS is so vague and the wording sucks......it is quite literally worded just for a quick connection to generators made with a plug in just for automatic starting
had to call tech support twice because the manual doesnt give a description of what the relays do during starting and running
if someone can tell me for sure how to hook this up to a durostar DS4400e ......otherwise I am gonna hook it up the way I have it figured......I will give the results later as to whether I have a $200 ornament or not and how I wired it if I am successful
had to call tech support twice because the manual doesnt give a description of what the relays do during starting and running
if someone can tell me for sure how to hook this up to a durostar DS4400e ......otherwise I am gonna hook it up the way I have it figured......I will give the results later as to whether I have a $200 ornament or not and how I wired it if I am successful
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heres the wiring pic...wire are not correct color...use the number places...dont use the manuals diagrams...they dont work for this and you will fry your AGS
disregard where it says type 6 in the pic...in the settings use type 8......that was the only pic I saw that used wire 15
heres the setting from the defaults you need to change
in advanced settings
gen type = 8
in advance settings > cfg gen
starter cool down = 3 sec
gen cool down = 15 sec
gen spin down = 3 sec
max runtime = whatever you want
exercise stuff = whatever you want
relay 3 = not used
gen run hold time = 0 sec .....this is important because you are not using a gen run sensing so it will use the ac2 input voltage as sensing
crank delay = 0 sec
crank time = 6 sec .... you can set yours where you need it....test while it is cold and see how many seconds it takes for your gen to start
crank retry time = 3 sec ....I did this in an attempt to capture the propane that was already in the intake side ( not useful after I got my conversion bugs fixed) you can leave it at default or 10 sec
preheat time = 0 sec
gen start retries = 3 ... lets face it...if it doesnt sart after 3 tries on propane....it aint gonna start ( as I found out or it will start and run wrong)
the key switched must remain in the off position......before you use the key switch, make sure the AGS is in standby or maual off
This settings are only for a propane conversion for a durostar DS4400E
the wiring diagram is for the same generator......but it should work with a grounded coil ignition system
thats the reason this was hard to setup....to stop the generator, when the key is turned off, it grounds the coil out...and the AGS manual doesnt tell you enough about functions to let you know this will work
the reason I did this write up is because after searching the internet for a few weeks, nowhere can this info be found and I know others have been wondering or reluctant to to try
I will start another discussion about this linking to this thread
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I am sort of glad you figured it out and Tech Support is really good at Schneider, I have never had problems with them.
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Ralph
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you could come up with a starter motor with an offset disk and I'm sure you could use the same setup I did but just use the relays inside of the AGS to operate relays for the starter
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|| Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
|| VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A
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gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister ,
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|| Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
|| VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A
solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister ,
KID #51B 4s 140W to 24V 900Ah C&D AGM
CL#29032 FW 2126/ 2073/ 2133 175A E-Panel WBjr, 3 x 4s 140W to 24V 900Ah C&D AGM
Cotek ST1500W 24V Inverter,OmniCharge 3024,
2 x Cisco WRT54GL i/c DD-WRT Rtr & Bridge, Hughes1100 Sat Modem
Eu3/2/1000i Gens, 1680W & E-Panel/WBjr to come, CL #647 asleep
West Chilcotin, BC, Canada
|| Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
|| VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A
solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister ,
I still have 1 tiny problem that could be fixed if I knew where the to connect the motor run sensing at....currently the AGS uses AC2 input voltage sensing to see if the motor is running
sometimes the motor will start and the voltage doesnt rise quick enough, and then shuts off right away
and other times it does kinda the same as above, but then realizes the motor is running and comes back on right away
but most of the time,if the valves are adjusted right for propane (uhhg) it will start up and stay running to it hits the presets
now the other problem I have been dealing with doesnt have to do with the AGS....the damned exhaust valve keeps getting out of adjustment...getting tighter, no play in it....cant figure out why it does it
when it happens, the motor will be hard to start and sometimes backfires, which lets me know it's time to go back out ( in the cold) and readjust the valve
the intake side is not doing this...any thoughts on this
Seems we have a common problem with AGS, 10Hp single cylinder water cooled 598 cc Kubota clone diesel, 5 Kw alternator. Kubota have an electric start at double the price. Massive flywheel on the other side.
with the gen support turned on to 18...I'm charging at 60 amps or less....and.....dun dun dun.......my lights dont flicker when the refrigerator compressor comes on....even when I turn on the water heater.....and the cooking stove....and my small AC unit.....all at the same time
still had to hook up the xantrex AGS the same way as the diagram shows........wires 15 and 16 go between the coil ground wire and the key switch box ( they made this one simple...just unplug the connector and run 15 to one side and 16 to the other , doesnt matter which one)
the 17 and 18 connect to the battery and solenoid ...again, doesnt matter which one goes to the battery or which one goes to the starter solenoid
set the generator type to 7 and configure the settings for your starter crank time and then configure the triggers for when it is to start up
hope this helps someone
by the by......make sure the key is off ...( yeah, I left mine on and couldnt figure out why it wouldnt shut off ).....( took me 10 minutes to figure it out because the key fell out of the switch )
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Hello
I need suport, I have a new EU70is Honda generator, and I would like to connection on Schneider Conext AGS. I have on the autostart Honda generator connector 5 pin ( remotecontrol connector ),
W/Bu -main switch –
Br/Bu-main switch +
W/G -push switch2
G/Bu – pl remote
G- Gnd .
What wiring type of should I use? on manual I can not find the right type.
It should be one relay to make a contact stendby ( function of the key on ON or OFF the generator) and
relay 2 to make contact signal 0,5-1-S for the ignition of the engine
https://41j5tc3akbrn3uezx5av0jj1bgm-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Conext-AGS-Owners-Guide975-0307-01-01_Rev-G_ENG.pdf
I wrote to the schnaider, but the answer was, that the binding scheme ( type 13) is the same as Honda eu 6500is ( link ).
Generator EU70is not the same as EU 6500is
https://www.schneider-electric.ca/en/faqs/FA222135/
Please help if there is any other way wiring
thenks