Laptop Power
Art
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Hi Guys,
Not exactly a beginner when it comes to electronics, but new to much of the math involved.
I'm looking to solar power a laptop computer in a very remote location,
and would like as much up time as possible for the laptop.
I thought about using a generator to charge a car battery, but don't think I'd like the noise.
It looks like I'm going to fork out for a larger panel. What size panel do you guys think I'd need?
I plan on charging a seperate car battery, and I can charge/power the laptop from that.
I understand the pitfalls with using a car battery in place of deep cycle battery.
Cheers, Art.
Not exactly a beginner when it comes to electronics, but new to much of the math involved.
I'm looking to solar power a laptop computer in a very remote location,
and would like as much up time as possible for the laptop.
I thought about using a generator to charge a car battery, but don't think I'd like the noise.
It looks like I'm going to fork out for a larger panel. What size panel do you guys think I'd need?
I plan on charging a seperate car battery, and I can charge/power the laptop from that.
I understand the pitfalls with using a car battery in place of deep cycle battery.
Cheers, Art.
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Re: Laptop Power
Laptops and their chargers have quite a range of power consumption.
Newer the better, dependent on programs running, etc.
As to worse case, take a look at charger output voltage and current rating. This would be the maximum. (something like 20vdc, 3.5 amps) -
Re: Laptop Power
Beware most of the "lap top solar kits" that are out there. They over promise, under deliver and overcharge on a per watt/hour basis.
General draw for a lap top might be ~50-75 watts. ( Confirm with a kill-a-watt meter ~$20)
Another quick easy calculation is to take the name plate rating of a Pv panel, divide it by 2 to account for system loses, multiply that number by 4 which is the average number of hours of good sun one might expect. (Might be less, but is seldom more). This number give you the average number of watt/hours you can expect per day.
So let's say you have a lap top that draws 50 watts and you wish to run it 8 hours
8x50=400 watt/hours.
To get ~400/wh/day you would need say 200 watts of PV/2x4=400
That allows no reserve for cloudy days etc. Also if you are charging a system battery (deep cycle type) and then plugging your lap top into that system there would be additional loses.
Play with the numbers and see how it works out.
Tony -
Re: Laptop Power
I don't plan on using a commercial laptop solar kit or anything like that,
but you're saying even a large 100 Watt panel would hardly suffice? -
Re: Laptop Power
Assuming it is on or near somewhere on the PV Watts website, you can use it to estimate the output of a solar PV system.
Some basics, assume a location (Learmonth, Aus), assume that you are using AC power and a ordinary lead acid deep cycle batter with AC inverter gives you deratings of:
0.77 charge controller and solar panel derating
0.80 flooded cell lead acid derating
0.85 reasonably efficient AC inverter (or DC adapter for laptop)
0.77*0.80*0.85= 0.52 end to end efficiency
From the PV Watts website (fixed solar panel, use 1 kW as the panel size (sorry, minimum allowed by the program:"Station Identification"
"City:","Learmonth"
"State:","AUS"
"Lat (deg N):", -22.23
"Long (deg W):", 114.08
"Elev (m): ", 6
"Weather Data:","IWEC"
"PV System Specifications"
"DC Rating:"," 1.0 kW"
"DC to AC Derate Factor:"," 0.520"
"AC Rating:"," 0.5 kW"
"Array Type: Fixed Tilt"
"Array Tilt:"," 22.2"
"Array Azimuth:"," 0.0"
"Energy Specifications"
"Cost of Electricity:"," 0.1 A$/kWh"
"Results"
"Month", "Solar Radiation (kWh/m^2/day)", "AC Energy (kWh)", "Energy Value (A$)"
1, 7.64, 105, 0.09
2, 7.37, 92, 0.08
3, 7.49, 104, 0.09
4, 6.52, 89, 0.08
5, 5.71, 82, 0.07
6, 5.20, 73, 0.07
7, 5.53, 82, 0.07
8, 6.58, 95, 0.09
9, 7.42, 104, 0.09
10, 7.88, 112, 0.10
11, 7.79, 105, 0.09
12, 7.68, 106, 0.10
"Year", 6.90, 1151, 1.04
That gives you around 73-112 kWhrs per month of "AC Power" per 1,000 watts of panels... Or:- 73kWhr per month / 30 days per month = 2.433 kWhrs per day min or 2,433 Watt*Hours per day minimum per 1,000 watts of panels
- 24 hours per day * 20 watts = 480 Watt*Hours per day
- 480 Watt*hours per day * 1/2,433 WH per day per 1,000 watt of panel = 197 watts of solar panel
Battery sizing, normally, we recommend 3 days of no-sun and 50% maximum discharge--so that works out to a battery bank 6x your expected daily load for best life and optimum costs.- 480 Watt*Hours * 3 days * 1/0.50 discharge * 1/0.85 invtr eff * 1/12 volt battery bank =282 Amp*Hours at 12 volts
Remember the PV Watts is a 20 year average sun/weather based observation... Yours may be better or worse.
You will probably still need a small genset to charge the battery bank for bad weather... Ideally, size the generator for the charger/load needs. Most gensets are pretty efficient at 50-100% loading. Below 50% of rated load, they still consume 50% fuel flow (even down to zero Watt loading).
Some gensets (like the Honda euX000i inverter/generator line) are very quiet and efficient down to ~25% loading--but may be a bit pricey for your area.
Anyway, that is where I would start.
-BillNear San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset -
Re: Laptop Power
By the way, Tony has a typo, that is 50 watts * 8 hours = 400 Watt*Hours of load.
-BillNear San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset -
Re: Laptop Power
Not any more! LOL
Thnx Bill
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