I need help diagnosing my solar system as my inverter does not recognize my solar array

jadlcsw2004
jadlcsw2004 Registered Users, Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 8 ✭✭
Hello All,

My fiancé' and I bought a cabin in Happy Jack, Arizona. Lightening or EMP fried my inverter. One of my neighbors has a PowMr inverter and I decided to go with that. I wired in the new inverter and it powered up, however it does not recognize the solar array or incoming voltage.  It does not charge the batteries. I bought some RS485 cables that I'm going to use to connect the batteries and inverter together (prior owners never set that up). I'm going to list all my equipment and stats here. When my friend and I tested the voltage from the solar array to the inverter it was at 85 volts and I'm thinking that's too low.  Although I don't understand the wiring of my solar array.  I believe it's 10 panels wired in series in two strings. I bought one MNSPD-300-AC and two MNSPD-600 for the DC side.  I placed one 600 at the input side at the solar array, one 600 at the input side of the inverter, and the 300 at the input side of the breaker box at the cabin.

Any direction you can provide would be greatly appreciated.





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  • Wheelman55
    Wheelman55 Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭✭
    edited December 15 #2
    If you provide the VOC and the ISC values from the back of your solar panels, as well as how they are wired up in the array, that’ll give the experts here something to work with in helping you to troubleshoot. 

    For instance you said 10 panels in 2 strings of 5. That would be 5S2P. 
    Off-Grid in Terlingua, TX
    5,000 watt array - 14 CS 370 watt modules - 7S2P. HZLA horizontal tracker. Schneider: XW6048NA+, Mini PDP, MPPT 80-600, SCP. 390ah LiFeP04 battery bank - 3 Discover AES 42-48-6650 48 volt 130ah LiFePO4 batteries
  • littleharbor2
    littleharbor2 Solar Expert Posts: 2,180 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The new all-in-one inverters require high PV input voltage. Very likely your voltage isn't high enough

    2.1 Kw Suntech 175 mono, Classic 200, Trace SW 4024 ( 15 years old  but brand new out of sealed factory box Jan. 2015), Bogart Tri-metric,  460 Ah. 24 volt LiFePo4 battery bank. Plenty of Baja Sea of Cortez sunshine.

  • jadlcsw2004
    jadlcsw2004 Registered Users, Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 8 ✭✭
    My apologies as I cut and pasted all the statistics on my system, but I now see that they didn't post. I wish I could post pictures.

    REC Twinpeak 2S72 XV series-5S2P, VOC 46.8 V

    Powerup ESS Lithium Iron Phosphate Battery - B48LPI5 V2 - two 48 volt batteries in parallel
       -Charge current 20-100 A

    PowMr 5000W Hybrid inverter - POW-LVM5K-48V-N

    When I tested the PV input my voltmeter read 85 volts and I'm guessing you're right that the voltage is too low.  Which makes me ask the question why the voltage is so low.

    If I did the math correctly 10 panels should crank out 486 volts at max capacity and then wired into two strings of 5 should put out 243 volts.  Am I thinking about this correctly?

    Forgive me as I'm really new to understanding solar systems and how they work.  I'm really trying to understand it all.
  • Wheelman55
    Wheelman55 Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭✭
    What is your ISC?
    Off-Grid in Terlingua, TX
    5,000 watt array - 14 CS 370 watt modules - 7S2P. HZLA horizontal tracker. Schneider: XW6048NA+, Mini PDP, MPPT 80-600, SCP. 390ah LiFeP04 battery bank - 3 Discover AES 42-48-6650 48 volt 130ah LiFePO4 batteries
  • littleharbor2
    littleharbor2 Solar Expert Posts: 2,180 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wire up your array at 5s2p And you'll be fine

    2.1 Kw Suntech 175 mono, Classic 200, Trace SW 4024 ( 15 years old  but brand new out of sealed factory box Jan. 2015), Bogart Tri-metric,  460 Ah. 24 volt LiFePo4 battery bank. Plenty of Baja Sea of Cortez sunshine.

  • jadlcsw2004
    jadlcsw2004 Registered Users, Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 8 ✭✭
    ISC for one panel = 9.78 amps

    For some reason my solar array is not generating enough voltage to register on the inverter; the complete array is only generating a total of 85 volts.
  • littleharbor2
    littleharbor2 Solar Expert Posts: 2,180 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You've yet to tell us what arrangement the wiring is sounds to me like you've got get wired with two in series and however many of those in parallelIf that's the case you're probably trying to put too many amps into theMppt as well as not enough voltageThat's my guess anyway

    2.1 Kw Suntech 175 mono, Classic 200, Trace SW 4024 ( 15 years old  but brand new out of sealed factory box Jan. 2015), Bogart Tri-metric,  460 Ah. 24 volt LiFePo4 battery bank. Plenty of Baja Sea of Cortez sunshine.

  • Wheelman55
    Wheelman55 Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭✭
    Littleharbor. OP lists his array as 5S2P in post #4😊
    Off-Grid in Terlingua, TX
    5,000 watt array - 14 CS 370 watt modules - 7S2P. HZLA horizontal tracker. Schneider: XW6048NA+, Mini PDP, MPPT 80-600, SCP. 390ah LiFeP04 battery bank - 3 Discover AES 42-48-6650 48 volt 130ah LiFePO4 batteries
  • Wheelman55
    Wheelman55 Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭✭
    edited December 17 #10
    OP. Consider troubleshooting your array. You mentioned lightning damage. 

    Disconnect all of the modules, then test them one by one with a multimeter and a clamp meter. See what they output for volts and amps. 

    BTW. Do the disconnecting before the sun rises, so the modules won’t electrocute you. 

    Is it a roof mount or a ground mount?
    Off-Grid in Terlingua, TX
    5,000 watt array - 14 CS 370 watt modules - 7S2P. HZLA horizontal tracker. Schneider: XW6048NA+, Mini PDP, MPPT 80-600, SCP. 390ah LiFeP04 battery bank - 3 Discover AES 42-48-6650 48 volt 130ah LiFePO4 batteries
  • jadlcsw2004
    jadlcsw2004 Registered Users, Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 8 ✭✭
    I wish I could just cut and paste a picture in here for you.

    I did not wire the solar array.  The entire system was installed a year or two ago and we bought the cabin in January 2025. About two months ago the inverter just stopped working and two of my neighbor friends believe it was a close lightening strike or EMP that fried it.

    There are 10 solar panels as I mentioned. I believe they are wired in series into 2 strings of 5 panels each. If that is how they are wired each string should produce 243 volts at 48.6 volts per panel. 

    How do you think my solar array should be wired to send enough voltage to the MPPT?  Again, please forgive as I'm really trying to learn and understand all of the dynamics of a solar system to make ours work properly.
  • jadlcsw2004
    jadlcsw2004 Registered Users, Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 8 ✭✭
    Wheelman55, it's ground mounted.  That's what I was thinking that I'm going to have to test each panel at the array to make sure they are working properly. I was also wondering about the risk of electrocution when testing them, so thanks for that tip. Silly question, but don't I need the sun on the panels to see how much voltage and amperage they generate?
  • littleharbor2
    littleharbor2 Solar Expert Posts: 2,180 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Littleharbor. OP lists his array as 5S2P in post #4😊
    my bad i misinterpreted that post i thought he was giving me theoretical voltages ten in series and two strings of five. Then thinking he had a 2s5p arrangement with the 85 volt reading

    2.1 Kw Suntech 175 mono, Classic 200, Trace SW 4024 ( 15 years old  but brand new out of sealed factory box Jan. 2015), Bogart Tri-metric,  460 Ah. 24 volt LiFePo4 battery bank. Plenty of Baja Sea of Cortez sunshine.

  • BB.
    BB. Super Moderators, Administrators Posts: 33,723 admin
    You should be able to post most picture/file types... For example a screen shot from my chrome book:



    Drag and drop sometimes works too...

    Generally the "photo" button I use for pictures. And the black sheet of papers for other text file types...

    -Bill
    Near San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset
  • Wheelman55
    Wheelman55 Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭✭
    OP. Disconnect the individual modules from each other either before sunrise/after sundown or cover them all with a tarp. 

    Then individually test them when the sun shines. 

    Take pictures to share. 

    Open the combiner box and take a pic of the wiring inside of the box. 

    Take a pic of the connectors used between modules. Show the brand and model if possible. You might be able to take the connectors apart with small screwdrivers or you might need a special tool. 

    It’ll help to see what you’re dealing with. 

    Good luck. 
    Off-Grid in Terlingua, TX
    5,000 watt array - 14 CS 370 watt modules - 7S2P. HZLA horizontal tracker. Schneider: XW6048NA+, Mini PDP, MPPT 80-600, SCP. 390ah LiFeP04 battery bank - 3 Discover AES 42-48-6650 48 volt 130ah LiFePO4 batteries
  • littleharbor2
    littleharbor2 Solar Expert Posts: 2,180 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 18 #16


    Open the combiner box and take a pic of the wiring inside of the box. 


    Good luck. 
    This may explain the problem and since he just added a new all-in-one inverter and didn't change the wiring on the roofIt may be a 2s 5p arrangement as I originally thought

    2.1 Kw Suntech 175 mono, Classic 200, Trace SW 4024 ( 15 years old  but brand new out of sealed factory box Jan. 2015), Bogart Tri-metric,  460 Ah. 24 volt LiFePo4 battery bank. Plenty of Baja Sea of Cortez sunshine.

  • Wheelman55
    Wheelman55 Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭✭
    Boots on the ground time for you now. Send pictures of what you find. 
    Off-Grid in Terlingua, TX
    5,000 watt array - 14 CS 370 watt modules - 7S2P. HZLA horizontal tracker. Schneider: XW6048NA+, Mini PDP, MPPT 80-600, SCP. 390ah LiFeP04 battery bank - 3 Discover AES 42-48-6650 48 volt 130ah LiFePO4 batteries
  • jadlcsw2004
    jadlcsw2004 Registered Users, Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 8 ✭✭
    BB I wish it was as simple for me to post pictures as it appears to be for you. It doesn't give me insert picture or attach a file options as you posted. It only give me the option to insert an image URL. Apparently I need to use something like Imgur to upload pictures and attach the URL for all of you.  Sorry, what a pain!
  • jadlcsw2004
    jadlcsw2004 Registered Users, Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 8 ✭✭
    We will be heading to the cabin tomorrow night and it will be dark when we arrive so I'll work on disconnecting the panels at that time.  Then I'll test them the next morning when the sun is up. It's off the grid and I have really bad cell service up there with no wifi.  So I'm hoping I'm able to post pictures for you guys.  I really appreciate the insight and direction you've given me so far. Thank you!  Keeping my fingers crossed! 
  • Wheelman55
    Wheelman55 Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭✭
    Go over to the neighbors house and borrow his WiFi. 
    Off-Grid in Terlingua, TX
    5,000 watt array - 14 CS 370 watt modules - 7S2P. HZLA horizontal tracker. Schneider: XW6048NA+, Mini PDP, MPPT 80-600, SCP. 390ah LiFeP04 battery bank - 3 Discover AES 42-48-6650 48 volt 130ah LiFePO4 batteries
  • Wheelman55
    Wheelman55 Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭✭
    OP. If using a smart phone, when you go to insert a pic, click on the “choose files” button. That’ll direct you to your phones camera as well as pics on the phone. 

    It’s pretty straight forward. 
    Off-Grid in Terlingua, TX
    5,000 watt array - 14 CS 370 watt modules - 7S2P. HZLA horizontal tracker. Schneider: XW6048NA+, Mini PDP, MPPT 80-600, SCP. 390ah LiFeP04 battery bank - 3 Discover AES 42-48-6650 48 volt 130ah LiFePO4 batteries
  • jadlcsw2004
    jadlcsw2004 Registered Users, Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 8 ✭✭
    edited 5:26AM #22
    https://imgur.com/Ut6eud6 https://imgur.com/BiRHGGg https://imgur.com/eFoM6qk

    My solar array.  This is the only way it will let me give you access to photos. Please let me know if it works for you.