An argument for west and east arrays vs the traditional south array.

softdown
softdown Solar Expert Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭✭
Battery wear and tear is the chief long term expense of off grid solar
South facing solar production is strong from ~ 9am to 3pm. 
East and west array production is substantial from ~ 7:30am to 5pm. This should, in theory, potentially lower battery wear and tear. 

Additional arguments for the west and east arrays:
1) A small amount of work may allow one rack to hold both the west and east arrays. Though two charge controllers will be needed. I hope to post a pic of using one rack for both arrays when it is done. 
2) The longer hours may help reduce the impact of summer time air conditioning. Summer time is when the west and east arrays compete more evenly with the south arrays. 
3) The east array protects the west array from easterly wind shear. The west array protects the east array in the same way.
4) Some applications will find the west/east more favorable for reducing shade. Others will still favor the south array. 
5) If you tend to have cloudy mornings or afternoons the installer may adjust west vs east production accordingly. 

* I don’t remember the name of the web site that allows the more exact numbers to be crunched. But I do remember that west and east arrays can be competitive except for substantially more limited production during the winter months. 

I’m not saying that west and east panels offer more production. They absolutely do not. But a longer and more evenly balanced production? It should.
First Bank:16 180 watt Grape Solar with  FM80 controller and 3648 Inverter....Fullriver 8D AGM solar batteries. Second Bank/MacGyver Special: 10 165(?) watt BP Solar with Renogy MPPT 40A controller/ and Xantrex C-35 PWM controller/ and Morningstar PWM controller...Cotek 24V PSW inverter....forklift and diesel locomotive batteries

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  • BB.
    BB. Super Moderators, Administrators Posts: 33,704 admin
    edited August 13 #2
    Can supply more information, including hour by hour 24x365 for spreadsheet. 
    Might look at Southeast and Southwest facing arrays with pvwatts.
    Lithium batteries work fine on se/sw arrays as well as South facing. can be fully charged in several hours (check manuals and specifications).
    For lead acid, need 10+hours on charge to fully recharge (bulk+absorb+reach float) especially important during short winter days. 
    -Bill
    Near San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset
  • 706jim
    706jim Solar Expert Posts: 524 ✭✭✭✭
    I have one array facing southeast and a second facing southwest. All panels in parallel and a single FM80 charge controller. The system works great as built.
    Island cottage solar system with appriximately 2500 watts of panels, 1kw facing southeast 1.3kw facing southwest 170watt ancient Arco's facing due south. All panels in parallel for a 24 volt system. Trace DR1524 MSW inverter which has performed flawlessly since 1994. Outback Flexmax 80 MPPT charge controller four 467A-h AGM batteries. Insignia 11.5 cubic foot electric fridge 1/4hp GSW piston pump. My 31st year.
  • Miller_Ranch
    Miller_Ranch Registered Users Posts: 49 ✭✭
    edited August 17 #4
    I would suggest the Wattsun HZLA for East and West production.

    https://www.wattsun.com/images/datasheets/AccuTrak_HZLA.pdf
  • softdown
    softdown Solar Expert Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭✭
    I have not found a satisfied user of solar trackers. Why don’t the solar farms use them? 
    First Bank:16 180 watt Grape Solar with  FM80 controller and 3648 Inverter....Fullriver 8D AGM solar batteries. Second Bank/MacGyver Special: 10 165(?) watt BP Solar with Renogy MPPT 40A controller/ and Xantrex C-35 PWM controller/ and Morningstar PWM controller...Cotek 24V PSW inverter....forklift and diesel locomotive batteries
  • softdown
    softdown Solar Expert Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭✭
    South facing panels produce more energy -  we all know that. I am arguing the benefits of significantly more hours of solid solar production. The voltage level starts climbing earlier - so I can justify heating coffee in the microwave instead of boiling water. The voltage level also stays high for a couple more hours. This has to reduce battery wear and tear. 

    I used all 40’ of the flat passive solar sunroom for south facing solar production. Works great except for the summer months. I have at least eight fridges and freezers and panels mounted at 45 degrees.

    Added 800 watts of ~ 10 degree east facing panels and am quite surprised at their effectiveness. Planning to add 600 watts of ~ 15 degree west panels soon. Then I’ll be back to my usually obnoxious habit of bragging about my solar system. Helps that I live in a solar paradise - 7500’ elevation and dry. 
    First Bank:16 180 watt Grape Solar with  FM80 controller and 3648 Inverter....Fullriver 8D AGM solar batteries. Second Bank/MacGyver Special: 10 165(?) watt BP Solar with Renogy MPPT 40A controller/ and Xantrex C-35 PWM controller/ and Morningstar PWM controller...Cotek 24V PSW inverter....forklift and diesel locomotive batteries
  • Miller_Ranch
    Miller_Ranch Registered Users Posts: 49 ✭✭
    softdown said:
    I have not found a satisfied user of solar trackers. Why don’t the solar farms use them? 
    Solar farms do use them.

    https://www.epelectric.com/energy-tech/energy-portfolio
  • softdown
    softdown Solar Expert Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭✭
    Some of those depicted actually do use trackers. Most do not. A neighbor had a tracker and was dissatisfied. Significant winds often disabled it. This area can be windy. 
    First Bank:16 180 watt Grape Solar with  FM80 controller and 3648 Inverter....Fullriver 8D AGM solar batteries. Second Bank/MacGyver Special: 10 165(?) watt BP Solar with Renogy MPPT 40A controller/ and Xantrex C-35 PWM controller/ and Morningstar PWM controller...Cotek 24V PSW inverter....forklift and diesel locomotive batteries
  • Miller_Ranch
    Miller_Ranch Registered Users Posts: 49 ✭✭
    The 190 megawatt solar farm in Los Lunas New Mexico uses trackers.




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  • littleharbor2
    littleharbor2 Solar Expert Posts: 2,159 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The solar farms in the Imperial Valley use those same type of rotating axis trackers as depicted in Miller ranches photographs above

    2.1 Kw Suntech 175 mono, Classic 200, Trace SW 4024 ( 15 years old  but brand new out of sealed factory box Jan. 2015), Bogart Tri-metric,  460 Ah. 24 volt LiFePo4 battery bank. Plenty of Baja Sea of Cortez sunshine.

  • softdown
    softdown Solar Expert Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭✭
    OK, you guys have prevailed. A few solar farms do use trackers. I wonder if they tend to be lower wind locations. My neighbors complaints seemed wind related and we do have notable winds at times. 

    Years ago the board consensus was basically “better to buy more panels” as panels have become more affordable. But not everyone has the space. 
    First Bank:16 180 watt Grape Solar with  FM80 controller and 3648 Inverter....Fullriver 8D AGM solar batteries. Second Bank/MacGyver Special: 10 165(?) watt BP Solar with Renogy MPPT 40A controller/ and Xantrex C-35 PWM controller/ and Morningstar PWM controller...Cotek 24V PSW inverter....forklift and diesel locomotive batteries
  • Miller_Ranch
    Miller_Ranch Registered Users Posts: 49 ✭✭
    edited August 19 #12
    A few?
    Array technologies has installed 80+ GW globally.
    Don't take my word for it.

    https://arraytechinc.com/

    Passive wind mitigation.

    https://player.vimeo.com/video/376938214

    I am all for DIY projects. I installed my South facing manual tilt solar mounts myself. I think your efforts would be better rewarded with an East West tracker if your goal is to harvest maximum East and West sun. 

    Wattsun claims 25% increase over a South facing array.

    If your design results in more than 25% gain please let us know.

    I live in solar paradise too at 6000'  Need some rain.





  • softdown
    softdown Solar Expert Posts: 4,001 ✭✭✭✭
    Been here since 2014. Solar tracker isn’t what I want right now. You sound a bit dominant for 49 posts. 
    First Bank:16 180 watt Grape Solar with  FM80 controller and 3648 Inverter....Fullriver 8D AGM solar batteries. Second Bank/MacGyver Special: 10 165(?) watt BP Solar with Renogy MPPT 40A controller/ and Xantrex C-35 PWM controller/ and Morningstar PWM controller...Cotek 24V PSW inverter....forklift and diesel locomotive batteries