inverter size vs battery

mountainman
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With a 1000 watt array and a 210 ah 24 volt battery. Whats the largest inverter I could safely use?
I plan on running 2 inverters a 300 watt 24-7 for TV Led lights etc. And a larger one part time for washer and Microwave.
I plan on running 2 inverters a 300 watt 24-7 for TV Led lights etc. And a larger one part time for washer and Microwave.
2kw array 6 345 q cells make sky blue 60 cc
6 230ah GC @36 volts
18 amp accusense charger. 3650 champion
6 230ah GC @36 volts
18 amp accusense charger. 3650 champion
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For a 300 watt load I would use a morning star suresine 300 watt 12 volt inverter .I run my 2800 sf house on less then 300 Watt with a frig .
I used the 300 watt unit with 2 golf cart battery’s and 500wats of solar on a old travel trailer .The morning star will Surge to 600 watts and is Very reliable
Out back flex power one with out back 3648 inverter fm80 charge controler flex net mate 16 gc215 battery’s 4425 Watts solar . -
I think you would need a 1500 watt inverter for the microwaveMy microwave was small and would only run on low on a magnum 1000watt inverter .Out back flex power one with out back 3648 inverter fm80 charge controler flex net mate 16 gc215 battery’s 4425 Watts solar .
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For a 210 AH @ 24 volt battery... Use C/5 as the maximum inverter and C/10 as the "comfortable" inverter (for flooded cell lead acid battery capabilities):
- 210 AH * 24 volts * 0.85 AC inverter eff * 1/5 hour discharge = 856 Watt inverter max suggested
- 210 AH * 24 volts * 0.85 AC inverter eff * 1/10 hour discharge = 428 Watt inverter "nice" size
- 210 AH battery bank * 500 Watts * 1/100 AH = 1,050 Watts
When you compare to, for example, 5 hours at night for 2 nights, with 50% maximum discharge, the average load would be:- 210 AH * 24 volts * 0.85 AC inverter eff * 1/2 days * 0.50 max discharge = 1,071 WH per day average battery load
- 1,071 WH average battery load / 5 hours per day (evening) usage = 214 Watt average loads for 120 VAC
Of course, these are really rough rules of thumbs (C/5 and C/10 discharge rates)--But do get you a pretty reliable system.
-BillNear San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset -
So to run a microwave would 6 Gc Batteries at 630 ah configured for 12 volts.
With a1500 watt array
Be a better fit for a 1500 watt inverter?
Or should I go to 420ah at 24 volts and a 2000 watt array?
@wellbuilt are you saying you ran a refrigerator on a 300 watt inverter?2kw array 6 345 q cells make sky blue 60 cc
6 230ah GC @36 volts
18 amp accusense charger. 3650 champion -
Around 1,200 to 1,800 Watts is about the maximum I would suggest for a 12 volt battery bank:
- 1,800 Watts * 1/0.85 AC inverter eff * 1/10.5 volts battery cutoff = 202 Amps
- 202 Amps * 1.25 NEC derating (to lessen the chance of blowing fuses/breakers) = ~252.5 Amp rated branch wiring+breaker/fuse
https://lugsdirect.com/WireCurrentAmpacitiesNEC-Table-301-16.htm
Using a voltage drop calculator, the one way run for 202 amps @ 0.5 volt drop @ 4/0 cable would be:
https://www.calculator.net/voltage-drop-calculator.html?material=copper&wiresize=0.1608&voltage=12&phase=dc&noofconductor=1&distance=25&distanceunit=feet&eres=202&x=0&y=0
In this example, you could go out to ~25 feet (0.5 volt drop)--Although, you probably would generally be much shorter cables...
Same thing at 24 volts:- 1,800 Watts * 1/0.85 AC inverter eff * 1/21.0 volts battery cutoff = 101 Amps
- 101 Amps * 1.25 NEC derating (to lessen the chance of blowing fuses/breakers) = 126 amp minimum rated wiring+breaker/fuse
If you go with a 420 AH @ 24 volt battery bank (~2,200 Watt inverter suggested maximum), the array size based on battery usage would be:- 420 AH * 29 volts charging * 1/0.77 panel+controller derating * 0.05 rate of charge = 791 Watt array minimum
- 420 AH * 29 volts charging * 1/0.77 panel+controller derating * 0.10 rate of charge = 1,582 Watt array nominal (full time off grid min)
- 420 AH * 29 volts charging * 1/0.77 panel+controller derating * 0.13 rate of charge = 2,056 Watt array "typical" cost effective maximum
So, yes, a 24 volt battery bank looks better--And unless you really need 12 volts (HAM radio, other "12 volt devices")...
-Bill
Near San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset -
No I do not run the frig on a 300 watt inverter .
My house really Dosent go over 300 watts at any time but I have a 3600 watt out back system now.The inverter system uses 50watt a hour just being turned on. ,
Out back flex power one with out back 3648 inverter fm80 charge controler flex net mate 16 gc215 battery’s 4425 Watts solar . -
Ok with a 2000 watt inverter @24 volts and
420 ah bank.
A 1500 watt array puts me @~10℅ charge rate.
Panels are cheap but good quality mppt controllers are not.
What amp controller for a 2000 24 array.
80 amps? or 2 40s for redundancy.
With a 1500 array would a 60 or or 2 30 amps be about right?
This is a 10k battery~ 2150 watts per day after inverter efficiency.
A 1250 kwh daily usage fridge would leave me about 900whs. With 50℅ on 2 days without sun.
I think i Icould get buy by being conservative on ~1kwh
Use genny for A/C. my 2000 runs a 10000 btu window unit 8 hrs on 2 gals $1.50 a gal
$240 a month.
Wow grid is so much cheaper @11.6 per kw
I'll still trying to wrap my head around what wellbuilt means about the 300 watt inverter on a refrigerator
2kw array 6 345 q cells make sky blue 60 cc
6 230ah GC @36 volts
18 amp accusense charger. 3650 champion -
Ok so your average peak is 300 watts.2kw array 6 345 q cells make sky blue 60 cc
6 230ah GC @36 volts
18 amp accusense charger. 3650 champion -
Sorry, I should have jumped in earlier...
We still don't know what your total loads are, so we're running blind, seriously! now your talking fridge, your a moving target, this just frustrates people. Why don't you calculate your daily energy needs, and then build a system to meet your needs.
I've happily run a microwave on a 1800 watt inverter on a 24 volt system using 4 golf cart batteries... I did this for 4 years... no issues, I didn't use it every day, but often popped popcorn at night... Starting with a 1000 watt array, I also charged those 4 Sam's Club batteries, and discharged them running a window airconditioner to provide sleeping temperatures here in Missouri. the cabin was built to air condition. 6" walls, built in shade, we also cool off most nights during the summer.
I later increased the size of the array to provide some day time running of the air conditioner and reduce the night time/cool down running. I got up to 1650 roughly watts. I charged with a PWM charge controller. I added a fridge (tiny 2 door) the 2nd and 3rd year with the larger array, though I shut down the fridge the final year during the summer as the batteries had some reduced capacity. They were a year old when I started so lasted 5 years, being drawn down to or below 50% most days during the summer.
Even after I was forced to move, I used the same inverter for many years running a full size fridge, window air, microwave (not with air conditioner unless the fridge had just kicked off. I also used it to run a washing machine, a table saw
So to figure out what you need, we need, what your energy use is per day, location of your system(to figure out how much sun per day you get on average), availability of sun exposure (southern sky) with no shading...
Home system 4000 watt (Evergreen) array standing, with 2 Midnite Classic Lites, Midnite E-panel, Magnum MS4024, Prosine 1800(now backup) and Exeltech 1100(former backup...lol), 660 ah 24v Forklift battery(now 10 years old). Off grid for 20 years (if I include 8 months on a bicycle).
- Assorted other systems, pieces and to many panels in the closet to not do more projects. -
Microwaves vary in consumption from 900 watts to 1500 watts. The bigger and better ones draw 1300 to 1500 watts. Giving the microwave it's own dedicated circuit is a nice touch. Otherwise it is easy to trip kitchen. circuit breakers when cooking for groups.
1500 watt inverters are nice size for most general purposes. Larger inverters are energy hogs.First Bank:16 180 watt Grape Solar with FM80 controller and 3648 Inverter....Fullriver 8D AGM solar batteries. Second Bank/MacGyver Special: 10 165(?) watt BP Solar with Renogy MPPT 40A controller/ and Xantrex C-35 PWM controller/ and Morningstar PWM controller...Cotek 24V PSW inverter....forklift and diesel locomotive batteries
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