Low voltage panels

mountainman
mountainman Registered Users Posts: 439 ✭✭
in Caravan, Recreational Vehicle, and Marine Power Systems #1

Has anyone tried these? Lol

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  • Tecnodave
    Tecnodave Registered Users Posts: 437 ✭✭✭✭
    #2

    Those panels are just plain weird! VMP 11.71 volts.....what would you do with those oddball panels....pretty useless...anybody got a 6 volt solar system.

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  • littleharbor2
    littleharbor2 Solar Expert Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2019 #3

    Long ago, (1991), Mobil Solar put out a 220 watt low voltage panel. The data label is a bit hard to read but shows 10.55 Vmp. at rather high current. Clearly intended for high module count series strings.

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  • Estragon
    Estragon Registered Users Posts: 4,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
    #4

    Seems to me such a panel might be useful on its own for something like a low voltage remote road sign light, or data aquisition module.

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  • mountainman
    mountainman Registered Users Posts: 439 ✭✭
    edited April 2019 #5

    They have them on eBay if you need some. Was wondering if you put 2 in series on pwm in the summer heat you wouldn't have to worry as much about voltage drop with longer distances.

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  • Tecnodave
    Tecnodave Registered Users Posts: 437 ✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2019 #6

    Let me guess.....from ML Solar in Cambell.....there are 4 separate strings in each panel.....they are about 7.5 amps @. 11.5 volts each string and can be wired in series or parallel on each panel..unusual to say the least! 216 cell panels in a 12 X 18 matrix. These were manufactured for utility scale feed in.....not for grid tie use. ML Solar buys manufacturers leftovers and sometimes assembles their own panels under another name.......Infinium.....BEWARE ! Infinium panels are not UL listed or on any list of acceptable panels for code use......they will not pass BEWARE ! These particular panels are not infinium but get it in writing and signed by Jeff that they are UL listed and acceptable to be used ( on the utility list of acceptable panels) Freind got burned for 5 thou there BEWARE Isaw these turkeys there years ago....... offer .12-15 cents a watt...off grid no code only!,

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  • mountainman
    mountainman Registered Users Posts: 439 ✭✭
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    For a small system 400 watts. with a pwm cc. 25 feet to a portable array. Using 2 runs of 8 awg for 2℅ voltage drop. Summer Temperatures are 85f. Which of these panels would be the better choice?

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  • Estragon
    Estragon Registered Users Posts: 4,496 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    You may want to look up temp coefficients for the lower Vmp panel, and recommended Vabsorb for your batteries.  With 2% wire loss drop, and maybe as much as 8-10% temp drop, it may or may not work well.  If the adjusted voltage is high enough though, the pwm controller should give more current with the first panel.
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  • mountainman
    mountainman Registered Users Posts: 439 ✭✭
    edited May 2019 #9
    @Estragon thanks for the reply that's kinda what I was thinking. 16.4 was to low. Temp co ef and  line loss puts me at 15.62 into the cc. found a kinda weirdo 100 watt panel. the picture is not clear but the label  states isc is lower than imp. specs 17.9 vmp and 6.24 imp??  111 watts .Since pwm is amps in amps out im interested in higher amp panels. Seems this one would also be high enough vmp for summer heat.
     
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