Good range topic?

Brock
Brock Solar Expert Posts: 639 ✭✭✭✭
in Energy Use & Conservation #1
Ok I swear we had a topic on here with someone buying a new gas range and talked about glowbars vs pilots vs electronic spark. I can't find it for the life of me and we need to buy a new range.
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  • BB.
    BB. Super Moderators, Administrators Posts: 33,613 admin
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    Re: Good range topic?

    Found out I don't like pilots. My parents home still has pilots on the old stove--can really smell them (natural gas)--plus now-a-days wasted energy costs. Also, gas pilot without the vent fan on makes for yellow/sticky walls.

    Glow bars--one appliance repair man said he replaces them pretty regularly--they don't last that long (few years or a little more). Had a clamp-on amp meter to check current flow--if it was about 10-20% below normal (IIRC), he would replace the glow bar ("bad" bars would still glow, apparently just fine--just not quite hot enough to reliably light the fire).

    Lastly, on spark ignition--our contractor installed the hot/neutral reversed (carpenter did not have a meter). The range top electronic sparks sort of worked. I would have never guessed hot/neutral polarity would have mattered.

    Our stove has spark for range top (auto-relight if flame blows out) and glow-bars for oven/broiler. Other than when the "spark plug" gets wet, dirty or when a piece of foil (wive uses to keep stove top clean) gets near the spark-plug--have not had any problems (after the wiring fix) for that last ~2 years). Replaced a spark module on bother-in-law's central heat many years ago--easy and no further problems.

    If you are going inverter power for the stove--I would probably stay away from Modified-Square/Sine-Wave style inverters (as you know better than I).

    What is your specific concern(s)?

    My 2 cents worth.
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  • mike95490
    mike95490 Solar Expert Posts: 9,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Re: Good range topic?
    Brock wrote:
    Ok I swear we had a topic on here with someone buying a new gas range and talked about glowbars vs pilots vs electronic spark. I can't find it for the life of me and we need to buy a new range.

    Glow bars are very intolerant of dirt/grease/oils much like a halogen lamp, grease creates a hot spot, and they fail.
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  • crewzer
    crewzer Registered Users, Solar Expert Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭✭
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    Re: Good range topic?

    Brock,

    I suspect you may be thinking about discussions over on the other forum that we frequent:

    http://www.outbackpower.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=496&highlight=glowbar
    http://www.outbackpower.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1935&highlight=glowbar

    HTH,
    Jim / crewzer
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  • Brock
    Brock Solar Expert Posts: 639 ✭✭✭✭
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    Re: Good range topic?

    Thanks all, Jim your a life saver, I thought I was loosing it ;)
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  • mike95490
    mike95490 Solar Expert Posts: 9,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Re: Good range topic?

    Since I'm not registered on "that other board" 'cause another password will make my head explode, I have a question. I've now seen 3 types of igniters:

    Turn to Start, it sparks, after lit, turn back to "whatever"

    Turn to "whatever" and arc automatically fires till burner lights, and then shuts down, if burner goes out, sparks again till lit.

    Turn to "whatever" and glowbar (hot surface igniter) lights gas, re-lites if flame blows out

    I've listed them in what I assume would be in order of their power draw. (fancier ones take more power to do their functions) Am I right in assuming the power consumption and sequence. Any other igniter styles ?
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  • crewzer
    crewzer Registered Users, Solar Expert Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭✭
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    Re: Good range topic?
    I thought I was loosing it...

    Now I, of course, ALWAYS remember everything.... RIGHT!!!!  :-o :roll: :wink:

    Mike,

    How about just using the same username and password? Sorry I can't help with the igniters... I don't know much about 'em.

    HTH,
    Jim / crewzer

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  • Brock
    Brock Solar Expert Posts: 639 ✭✭✭✭
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    Re: Good range topic?

    Mike I think you’re right on.  The trick is often the surface burners might be spark and the oven might be glow bar.  I am trying to avoid a glow bar all together to avoid the load.

    Same user name a password works for me  ;)

    No search function on teh other board  :(
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  • niel
    niel Solar Expert Posts: 10,300 ✭✭✭✭
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    Re: Good range topic?

    what ever happened to using piezo-electric igniters like those on gas grills? they use no electricity whatsoever?
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  • crewzer
    crewzer Registered Users, Solar Expert Posts: 1,832 ✭✭✭✭
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    Re: Good range topic?
    No search function on teh other board 
    Brock,

    :?  There's a "Search" hot link just under the "Most Recent Posts" list... You may need to set your profile "Board Style" to "Default" in order to reveal the link.

    HTH,
    Jim / crewzer
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  • mike95490
    mike95490 Solar Expert Posts: 9,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Re: Good range topic?
    niel wrote:
    what ever happened to using piezo-electric igniters like those on gas grills? they use no electricity whatsoever?

    No profit margin?
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    || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
    || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

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  • niel
    niel Solar Expert Posts: 10,300 ✭✭✭✭
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    Re: Good range topic?
    mike90045 wrote:
    niel wrote:
    what ever happened to using piezo-electric igniters like those on gas grills? they use no electricity whatsoever?

    No profit margin?

    no profit for whom? the people that sell them are making some money. here's a link to some in a pdf: http://www.gasgrillsusa.com/pdf/ignitors.pdf
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  • System2
    System2 Posts: 6,290 admin
    #13
    Re: Good range topic?

    this is what we have, its an amana i think with superlarge oven. i like it. the nice thing is you can light it manually if the power goes out.
    mike90045 wrote:

    Turn to Start, it sparks, after lit, turn back to "whatever"
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