Solyndra (Fremont California) files chapter 11
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Yeah, I was driving by the Evergreen plant in Devens yesterday and it was totally desolate, not one car in the lot. The only other thing missing were the tumbleweeds -
Wow, they're just dropping like flies!
Solyndra shutting down
More about the shutdown
It's sad to set yet another solar company shut down. What's the deal with all of these green tech companies folding? -
Re: Wow, they're just dropping like flies!
China is giving billons to company's to set up production there.
No non-government supported company has a chance to compete.
China see's the long term gain ... jobs -
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"Yet analysts also noted that Solyndra had failed to curb its manufacturing costs. Industry watchers pointed out that Solyndra's solar tubes were still about two or three times as expensive as the standard costs for solar manufacturers in the United States."
It's not rocket science, if your manufacturing costs are that out of wack capitalism will eat you alive, no need to bring the Chinese into this, Americans know Value and Solyndra wasn't making the cut. -
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It came down to basic math on price per watt.
$6.00 to make
$3.00 sell price
$1.50 to be competitive today
They bet on high priced poly-silicon wafers keeping their thinfilm process competitive and lost. It looked like very good technology.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=10&ved=0CDkQFjAJ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heritagehousehotel.com%2Fdocuments%2FSolyndra_Intro_Beaumont_Solar.pdf&ei=5vxeTsWuL6bZiALGvtWdDg&usg=AFQjCNFFDbtEUdiXgAL07m6J0ani5PktmA&sig2=V6t7dvw0jjpi1Z0ip6gcUA
http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/blog/2011/08/behold-the-ripple-solyndras-bankruptcy.html -
Re: Wow, they're just dropping like flies!Solar Guppy wrote: »China is giving billons to company's to set up production there.
No non-government supported company has a chance to compete.
China see's the long term gain ... jobsThe decision comes just weeks after the company -- and the Obama administration -- faced charges by conservative critics that Solyndra, based in Fremont, Calif., was being supported with generous government subsidies despite clear indications that it could not survive in the competitive energy marketplace.
Solyndra received $535 million in taxpayer money, yet could not survive.
Other much longer established companies, such as Kyocera, have received little or nothing in government subsidies yet manage to not only to survive, but grow.
This is the same typical boom and bust cycle that we saw back in the last government subsidized solar bubble. First it was Evergreen Solar, now Solyndra. And though not making the news, there have been at least a dozen smaller companies meet the same fate over the past year or two.
We have managed to stay in the solar business for 32 years now, without ever taking any government subsidies. Perhaps it is not the product at fault, but the business models that are failing. No amount of government money can save that.
I follow the stocks and companies behind them pretty closely, and despite what you hear, a few of the bigger solar names in China are not far behind Solyndra and Evergreen. -
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I heard from a buddy in the "valley" that Solyndra made bonehead mistakes and as a business deserved to fail! Business is Business! Too bad for the employess!"we go where power lines don't" Sierra Nevada mountain area
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from windsun,
"Solyndra received $535 million in taxpayer money, yet could not survive."
this does bother me, as well as others i'm sure, for if they gave that to us to spend on a solar setup, there would be far more solar systems in place. if on average the system costs were say $40,000 a piece this would press over 13,000 solar systems to be installed for what that 1 company received alone. when our government learns to quit rewarding corporate irresponsibility we will all be better off. this is why i have no qualms of rebates and incentives for us, the end users, as it is being pocketed away with little to nothing to show for it by many corporations. don't get me wrong here as there are businesses too that could and would use the help as well and do it properly, but better means of insuring that it does what it's supposed to and goes where it's supposed to needs to be implemented.
btw, don't say it's getting too political as when it pertains to solar this line of dialogue i initiated is allowed. just don't go into political parties and singling out politicians in a derogatory way while keeping the solar aspect should be quite fine as i recall windsun basically saying years ago. of course, al gore and sunbathing nude iguanas don't qualify.:roll::p -
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I've been doing some digging on this, and there appears to have been some shady dealing with this. Apparently the bank accounts of the execs are pretty fat, but the company ran out of money quick. Probably because of the alleged (and for now I'll call it rumor, even though I can see this being true) "bonuses" they were giving each other (ie, the execs), which is just a modern way of embezzling from a company legally. -
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Well the FBI raided them this morning. Press conference to follow.
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/FBI-at-Solyndra-Headquarters-129455348.html -
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maybe somebody out there is listening to us? good.:D -
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I heard this on our local radio station this morning--somebody called in and said FBI were ringing the place (before any announcements were made).
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i wonder if evergreen is next? or possibly they were secretly 1st as they could've done this already without our knowing it? -
Re: Solyndra (Fremont California) files chapter 11i wonder if evergreen is next? or possibly they were secretly 1st as they could've done this already without our knowing it?
Evergreen is a ghost town, I have not seen one single car in the lot for several weeks. The copper thieves should be descending upon the place soon. -
Re: Solyndra (Fremont California) files chapter 11Evergreen is a ghost town, I have not seen one single car in the lot for several weeks. The copper thieves should be descending upon the place soon.
that's why i said it may have already happened with our not hearing about it. it may have been a quick investigation to see if there was any indication of wrong doing that is actionable or there may not have been anything. who knows? i do know i am disappointed with them that they took the $ and ran, actionable or not. -
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Evergreen in Mass may be a ghost town but the company has been open that its moving/moved everything to China. -
Re: Solyndra (Fremont California) files chapter 11Solar Guppy wrote: »Evergreen in Mass may be a ghost town but the company has been open that its moving/moved everything to China.
i guess my disappointment extends not only to evergreen, but also to those in our government who chose to fund them knowing they were moving. -
Re: Solyndra (Fremont California) files chapter 11that's why i said it may have already happened with our not hearing about it. it may have been a quick investigation to see if there was any indication of wrong doing that is actionable or there may not have been anything. who knows? i do know i am disappointed with them that they took the $ and ran, actionable or not.
Well that is still one hell of a huge facility, maybe the MA taxpayers should grab it by eminent domain or some other way and sell it off to recoup some of their losses. -
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The gloves are coming off:
Feds Visit Homes of Solyndra CEO, Execs
Federal agents have expanded their examination of the now-bankrupt California solar power company Solyndra, visiting the homes of the company's CEO and two of its executives, examining computer files and documents, iWatch News and ABC News have learned.
Agents visited the homes of CEO Brian Harrison and company founder Chris Gronet and a former executive, according to a source who agreed to speak only on the condition of anonymity because of the legal sensitivity of the situation. -
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This is starting to sound like a old movie. "Just... follow the money. " -
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Wasn't there some kind of rumor that those guys took some huge bonuses recently? -
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Here's more commentary on the fiasco.http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/more-solyndra-–-next-move -
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Newly uncovered emails show the White House closely monitored the Energy Department's deliberations over a $535 million government loan to Solyndra, the politically-connected solar energy firm that recently went bankrupt and is now the subject of a criminal investigation. -
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More info:
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/solyndra-–-moving-forward-what -
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An ex-Solyndra employee calls in to the Mark Levin radio program: "While we were out there, while we were building it – cause it is a half a billion dollar plant – everyone already knew that China had developed a more inexpensive way to manufacture these solar panels. Everyone knew that the plant wouldn’t work. But they still did it. They still built it."
Not much else is this short article than below.
House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Rep. Fred Upton, R-Mich., during testimony on Capitol Hill, said he felt Solyndra might be just "the tip of the iceberg" regarding a series of stimulus funding decisions.
On the other hand maybe this is just the tip of the iceberg.
The former chief financial officer of a Knoxville nonprofit group that promotes energy from renewable sources has pleaded guilty to skimming federal funds.
Cameron J. Potter worked for the Southern Alliance for Clean Energy.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Dale told U.S. District Judge Thomas Phillips on Tuesday that Potter concocted a scheme in 2006 to skim $400,000 in Department of Energy grant money by creating phony invoices - a plot that he carried out for three years. -
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can we go with a bit more discussion instead of article clipping? most of these articles just reiterate the same basic thing. articles have their place, but this is dry to just read articles. -
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http://www.pv-tech.org/news/solyndra_statement_company_execs_to_invoke_fifth_amendment_rights_wont_testThe company has issued a statement that, because of the ongoing investigation and on the advice of their lawyers, president/CEO Brian Harrison and CFO Bill Stover will invoke their constitutional Fifth Amendment rights, which protects citizens from self-incrimination.
Screw the lawyers! Why would you do that if everything was on the up and up and you did your best in a bad business. -
Re: Solyndra (Fremont California) files chapter 11
http://www.hgpauction.com/?auctionid=146
you can buy a piece of solyndra at auction.
or spectrawatt as well
hey if you want to start up your own solar panel operation/manufacturing it looks like you can get some deals!!!! LOL.
I bet some chinese buy the manufacturing gear for 1/10th of what it costs. -
Re: Solyndra (Fremont California) files chapter 11
Obama allowed the CEO of this company to get his initial investment back, 500 million is what I read.
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