Threats to Grid Infrastructure

Dave AngeliniDave Angelini Solar Expert Posts: 6,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
It has been 10 years or so since we discussed the grid here, I think.... Not much has changed other than money that was suppose to go to hardening the Grid was used for other purposes. My guess is the Green deal. It is amusing to me that there is not any thought of hardening the Grid in Washington.

Last nights Coast to Coast AM had a great guest on who is actually doing something. More later but here are the show notes.

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Producer David Tice recently completed a documentary about the vulnerability of our power grid, entitled "Grid Down, Power Up" (view excerpt). In the first half, he discussed how government and industry have grown complacent about how the critical civilian infrastructure is vulnerable to attack from various forces. These threats include physical attacks (like the recent gunfire at two substations in North Carolina), cyber warfare, EMP attacks, and geomagnetic disturbances from a solar storm. Major solar storms, like 1859's Carrington Event, are predicted to happen every 100-150 years, he noted. The late Peter Pry of the EMP Taskforce warned of 'Blackout Wars' where adversaries might combine multiple forms of attack, he added.

While countries such as Iran and Israel have protected their infrastructure grids, why hasn't the United States? Tice blamed it on various factors including disorganization, ineptitude, fear of reimbursement on the money side, concern about putting in new technology that might disrupt the system, and a belief that nothing bad will happen or wanting to keep the status quo. He estimated that it would cost the US between $50-100 billion for protection of varying degrees. Lloyd's of London has concluded that a Carrington-type event is inevitable in our future, and the big problem will be replacing burned-out transformers. Tice also talked about water issues, and the devastation that might occur if municipal water systems were knocked offline.

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  • JRHillJRHill Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭✭
    A big priority for me is where do I get fuel when the grid is down?  :o
    Off Grid. Two systems: 1) 2925w panels, OB VFXR3648, FM80, FNDC, Victron BMV-712, Mate3s, 240 xformer, four SimpliPHI 3.8; 2) 780w, Morningstar 30a, Grundfos switch, controller and AC/DC pump, 8 T105. Honda EU7000is w/AGS. Champion 3100. HF 4550, Miller Bobcat.
  • PhotowhitPhotowhit Solar Expert Posts: 5,987 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In the end the reasoning is pretty simple. We have seen very little conflict within our country.

    Places like Iran and Israel seen conflict in everyday life. It's a blessing and a curse.
    Home system 4000 watt (Evergreen) array standing, with 2 Midnite Classic Lites,  Midnite E-panel, Magnum MS4024, Prosine 1800(now backup) and Exeltech 1100(former backup...lol), 660 ah 24v Forklift battery(now 10 years old). Off grid for 20 years (if I include 8 months on a bicycle).
    - Assorted other systems, pieces and to many panels in the closet to not do more projects.
  • Dave AngeliniDave Angelini Solar Expert Posts: 6,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Most people do not care, also along with the ones we elect to protect us.

    A blessing and a curse also when the cost is small to get this protection, or to at least plan for it. Especially the millions who would die.

    Cheery thoughts !

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8GdHPlDNIo
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  • Dave AngeliniDave Angelini Solar Expert Posts: 6,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    JRHill said:
    A big priority for me is where do I get fuel when the grid is down?  :o


    NV Energy Files Plan to Advance Nevada's Energy Independence




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  • Marc KurthMarc Kurth Solar Expert Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭✭
    We all know about "Murphy's Law" but on this particular subject, I feel that Murphy was an optimist. Some areas will get far uglier, far faster than most people realize.
    I always have more questions than answers. That's the nature of life.
  • Dave AngeliniDave Angelini Solar Expert Posts: 6,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • JRHillJRHill Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭✭
    Maybe yawl saw it on the news Switzerland is considering a prohibition of (more?) electric cars until their infrastructure can support them.

    Some sanity... if the news was for real.
    Off Grid. Two systems: 1) 2925w panels, OB VFXR3648, FM80, FNDC, Victron BMV-712, Mate3s, 240 xformer, four SimpliPHI 3.8; 2) 780w, Morningstar 30a, Grundfos switch, controller and AC/DC pump, 8 T105. Honda EU7000is w/AGS. Champion 3100. HF 4550, Miller Bobcat.
  • Dave AngeliniDave Angelini Solar Expert Posts: 6,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I heard that also along with the Billions being doled out to Nevada for building batteries and recycling Lithium and the different metals in NMC types. 

    This is all good news to me as long as somebody in our government looks into hardening the grid as well as expanding it intelligently!

    My sister gets mad at me because I think that a hardened grid is more important (far more important) than her latest politics.

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  • Marc KurthMarc Kurth Solar Expert Posts: 1,010 ✭✭✭✭
    Between the six recent grid attacks in the Pacific Northwest and the North Carolina substations, it begins to sound like dry runs and probes to test responses. A coordinated group of people with basic deer rifles from Walmart and some cans of gasoline could turn us upside down.

    I always have more questions than answers. That's the nature of life.
  • JRHillJRHill Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭✭
    DW said she read of a preliminary investigation leans toward vandalism for the Kansas pipeline 'failure." To me, when I lived in the city, pushing snow out into the street was bad enough.
    Off Grid. Two systems: 1) 2925w panels, OB VFXR3648, FM80, FNDC, Victron BMV-712, Mate3s, 240 xformer, four SimpliPHI 3.8; 2) 780w, Morningstar 30a, Grundfos switch, controller and AC/DC pump, 8 T105. Honda EU7000is w/AGS. Champion 3100. HF 4550, Miller Bobcat.
  • Dave AngeliniDave Angelini Solar Expert Posts: 6,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The first attack I remember was this one on April 16, 2013, an attack was carried out on Pacific Gas and Electric Company's Metcalf transmission substation in Coyote, California, near the border of San Jose.

    PG&E Offers $250K Reward for Info on Substation Attack


    PG + E still has a reward out on this unsolved high power rifle attack. You don't even nee cans of gasoline.....

    https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/pge-offers-250k-reward-for-info-on-substation-attack

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  • JRHillJRHill Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭✭
    There is a lot that can be done to build out and harden the grid but not much can be done to guard against a $2 bullet.

    Frankly, a stray round or ricochet during hunting season has always been a concern of mine. There are some absolute idiots out there who have no idea what's in the direction they are shooting. But when it comes to damage to infrastructure that's no accident.
    Off Grid. Two systems: 1) 2925w panels, OB VFXR3648, FM80, FNDC, Victron BMV-712, Mate3s, 240 xformer, four SimpliPHI 3.8; 2) 780w, Morningstar 30a, Grundfos switch, controller and AC/DC pump, 8 T105. Honda EU7000is w/AGS. Champion 3100. HF 4550, Miller Bobcat.
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