anyone seen the orson power thing

t00ls

heres there website
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ericclifton/orison-rethink-the-power-of-energy?ref=launchboom-si-h-d&utm_source=launchboom&utm_medium=ads&utm_campaign=launchboom-si-h-d

they are telling people this is JUST plug and play.....no need for an installer.....they also dont tell you to inform the power company that you are backfeeding the grid

so much snake oil in this thing

bill von novak

t00ls said:

they are telling people this is JUST plug and play.....no need for an installer.....they also dont tell you to inform the power company that you are backfeeding the grid

Note that they are not backfeeding the grid.  They do not supply more power than your loads are taking.

westbranch

Would thy not backfeed  the grid during a power outage if there were no loads at the time?

bill von novak

westbranch said:

Would thy not backfeed  the grid during a power outage if there were no loads at the time?

Don't think so.  Existing hybrid inverters don't do that, and they state specifically that they do not backfeed.

From talking to a co-worker who looked at one of these, this is basically a hybrid inverter (with the usual anti-islanding protections) with a small battery.

westbranch

I guess what threw me is their statement that it's PLUG and PLAY and all the previous units discussed here have been p&p into the house wiring via a wall socket... that and the picture of that avant guard lamp like talking feature i the living room...

t00ls

thing is...it is connected to the grid while supplying power to the home...on only one side of  2 legs of 120v.......NEC does not allow this

power companies do not allow you to just plug something in that produces power while connected to the grid, without first informing them

PV installers have to go through all kinds of inspections just to connect a grid tie device.....these guys think they can go around that

ggunn

bill von novak said:

t00ls said:

they are telling people this is JUST plug and play.....no need for an installer.....they also dont tell you to inform the power company that you are backfeeding the grid

Note that they are not backfeeding the grid.  They do not supply more power than your loads are taking.

A device plugged into a wall socket has no way of knowing the difference between a load somewhere in the house and the load provided by the grid. If it is backfeeding the local loads it is also backfeeding the grid should the local loads consume less than the inverter is putting out.

jonr

Technically, any load with inductance or capacitance "backfeeds the grid".