Sudden death of 3 auto batteries inside of a week!

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softdown
softdown Solar Expert Posts: 3,830 ✭✭✭✭
Yet all quite explainable:
1) 2014 battery was an absolute champ at starting a 454 engine. This summer it sounded like the engine turned over at a slower rate. Yesterday the battery was dead in spite of a new charge. Showed 12.8 volts and and just 160 CCA from a 1000 CCA battery. Bit odd to show normal voltage from a dead battery. A 450 CCA battery then started a warm engine quite easily. 
2) 10 month old Prius battery was stone dead in spite of recent charge and trip. What killed it? Left the rear hatch open for at least a day a couple weeks ago. Sometimes a 100% discharge can destroy a lead battery pretty quickly. Bit odd. 
3) 5.9 Diesel battery was stone dead after being parked a few weeks. The truck had a faulty brake light switch that seemed intermittent in nature. The brake lights did not remain on when last parked. But the battery was stone cold dead anyway. Could not even charge it again. Bit odd. Perhaps related to not being hooked up to the other battery. Perhaps the other battery (drivers side) realised all of the amp charge from the alternator. Replacing brake light switches can be a real nuisance fwiw. 
First Bank:16 180 watt Grape Solar with  FM80 controller and 3648 Inverter....Fullriver 8D AGM solar batteries. Second Bank/MacGyver Special: 10 165(?) watt BP Solar with Renogy MPPT 40A controller/ and Xantrex C-35 PWM controller/ and Morningstar PWM controller...Cotek 24V PSW inverter....forklift and diesel locomotive batteries

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  • softdown
    softdown Solar Expert Posts: 3,830 ✭✭✭✭
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    ^^^Prone to head gasket failure around 180,000. So very many engines are. Still one of the better engines made. Fords 6.0 and 6.4 being infamous disasters. 
    First Bank:16 180 watt Grape Solar with  FM80 controller and 3648 Inverter....Fullriver 8D AGM solar batteries. Second Bank/MacGyver Special: 10 165(?) watt BP Solar with Renogy MPPT 40A controller/ and Xantrex C-35 PWM controller/ and Morningstar PWM controller...Cotek 24V PSW inverter....forklift and diesel locomotive batteries
  • littleharbor2
    littleharbor2 Solar Expert Posts: 2,076 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I have 246,XXX on mine, still runs like a new engine. Are you referring to a 12 valve or 24 valve?


    2.1 Kw Suntech 175 mono, Classic 200, Trace SW 4024 ( 15 years old  but brand new out of sealed factory box Jan. 2015), Bogart Tri-metric,  460 Ah. 24 volt LiFePo4 battery bank. Plenty of Baja Sea of Cortez sunshine.

  • Marc Kurth
    Marc Kurth Solar Expert Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭✭
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    My trucks have spark plugs :)
    I always have more questions than answers. That's the nature of life.
  • softdown
    softdown Solar Expert Posts: 3,830 ✭✭✭✭
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    I have 246,XXX on mine, still runs like a new engine. Are you referring to a 12 valve or 24 valve?


    They went to 24 valve around 2000ish. Some still prefer the mechanical 12V but it does have less power. Of course not an issue unless pulling over 15K or so. 

    Think I damaged mine hauling big logs. Bought a semi but it has a mystery issue which may be nothing. Or may be something. 
    First Bank:16 180 watt Grape Solar with  FM80 controller and 3648 Inverter....Fullriver 8D AGM solar batteries. Second Bank/MacGyver Special: 10 165(?) watt BP Solar with Renogy MPPT 40A controller/ and Xantrex C-35 PWM controller/ and Morningstar PWM controller...Cotek 24V PSW inverter....forklift and diesel locomotive batteries
  • softdown
    softdown Solar Expert Posts: 3,830 ✭✭✭✭
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    My trucks have spark plugs :)
    There are few reasons to buy a diesel unless hauling heavy. Especially now that the central planners are trying to hammer capitalism and nationalism into oblivion. Almost all critical work is done with diesels.

    Diesel soot is good for plant life, acts like a fertiliser. So I doubt its toxicity. But am no expert aside from owning a LOT of diesels. 
    First Bank:16 180 watt Grape Solar with  FM80 controller and 3648 Inverter....Fullriver 8D AGM solar batteries. Second Bank/MacGyver Special: 10 165(?) watt BP Solar with Renogy MPPT 40A controller/ and Xantrex C-35 PWM controller/ and Morningstar PWM controller...Cotek 24V PSW inverter....forklift and diesel locomotive batteries
  • littleharbor2
    littleharbor2 Solar Expert Posts: 2,076 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Can anybody explain why Diesel fuel is running $1.50 to $2.00 a gallon more than gasoline ? I don't know it that's the trend all over the US but in So Calif. it is.

    2.1 Kw Suntech 175 mono, Classic 200, Trace SW 4024 ( 15 years old  but brand new out of sealed factory box Jan. 2015), Bogart Tri-metric,  460 Ah. 24 volt LiFePo4 battery bank. Plenty of Baja Sea of Cortez sunshine.

  • BB.
    BB. Super Moderators, Administrators Posts: 33,522 admin
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    Diesel many decades ago used to be a refinery "waste" product when compared to gasoline.

    Today, it has a major market--Besides trucks, similar to Jet Fuel, heating oil, etc.

    And diesel has higher heat content per gallon:
    https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/units-and-calculators/british-thermal-units.php

    Sample Btu conversion factors

    Energy source/fuelPhysical units and Btu1
    Electricity1 kilowatthour = 3,412 Btu
    Natural gas1 cubic foot = 1,039 Btu2
    1 therm = 100,000 Btu
    Motor gasoline1 gallon = 120,238 Btu3
    Diesel fuel1 gallon = 137,381 Btu4
    Heating oil1 gallon = 138,500 Btu5
    Propane1 gallon = 91,452 Btu
    Wood1 cord = 20,000,000 Btu6
    Modern refineraries can alter their products per barrel of oil via "Cracking" and other processes to meet market demands:
    https://www.e-education.psu.edu/fsc432/content/overview-refinery-products-and-processes


    Today, with insufficient raw crude (Russian War, OPEC limiting output to keep prices high, limiting drilling in USA, changing crude supply from different regions of world--"sweet vs sour" crude), policies that have prevented any new refineries in the USA since mid 1970's, USA government telling refiners that their products will not be needed in a decade limiting investments in existing/new refineries, green policies, Inflation, pressure to close older existing pipelines, stopping new pipelines, USA Government demanding changes in diesel vs gasoline ratios, etc.) and California's high taxes, regulation, low sulphur  diesel, oxygenated gasoline, carbon cap and trade, "California special" gasoline for summer blend, California policies to reduce diesel vehicle pollution that outlawed older trucks, etc.), "cold vs warm" winters... 

    https://edireland.substack.com/p/why-the-us-is-facing-a-diesel-and
    https://www.freightwaves.com/news/why-diesel-is-more-expensive-in-california-than-the-rest-of-us

    -Bill
    Near San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset
  • littleharbor2
    littleharbor2 Solar Expert Posts: 2,076 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    BB. said:
    Diesel many decades ago used to be a refinery "waste" product when compared to gasoline.

    Today, it has a major market--Besides trucks, similar to Jet Fuel, heating oil, etc.

    And diesel has higher heat content per gallon:
    https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/units-and-calculators/british-thermal-units.php

    Sample Btu conversion factors

    Energy source/fuelPhysical units and Btu1
    Electricity1 kilowatthour = 3,412 Btu
    Natural gas1 cubic foot = 1,039 Btu2
    1 therm = 100,000 Btu
    Motor gasoline1 gallon = 120,238 Btu3
    Diesel fuel1 gallon = 137,381 Btu4
    Heating oil1 gallon = 138,500 Btu5
    Propane1 gallon = 91,452 Btu
    Wood1 cord = 20,000,000 Btu6
    Modern refineraries can alter their products per barrel of oil via "Cracking" and other processes to meet market demands:
    https://www.e-education.psu.edu/fsc432/content/overview-refinery-products-and-processes


    Today, with insufficient raw crude (Russian War, OPEC limiting output to keep prices high, limiting drilling in USA, changing crude supply from different regions of world--"sweet vs sour" crude), policies that have prevented any new refineries in the USA since mid 1970's, USA government telling refiners that their products will not be needed in a decade limiting investments in existing/new refineries, green policies, Inflation, pressure to close older existing pipelines, stopping new pipelines, USA Government demanding changes in diesel vs gasoline ratios, etc.) and California's high taxes, regulation, low sulphur  diesel, oxygenated gasoline, carbon cap and trade, "California special" gasoline for summer blend, California policies to reduce diesel vehicle pollution that outlawed older trucks, etc.), "cold vs warm" winters... 

    https://edireland.substack.com/p/why-the-us-is-facing-a-diesel-and
    https://www.freightwaves.com/news/why-diesel-is-more-expensive-in-california-than-the-rest-of-us

    -Bill
    All understandable info but "something" has happened to make the price of diesel WAY out of line with gas. This probably has a huge effect on the price of everything else that gets delivered by trucking. Example, I was up in the states this week and saw diesel going for $6.99 a gallon vs. gas going for $4.29. That's not right. Here in Baja diesel and gas are both around $4.00 a gallon.

    2.1 Kw Suntech 175 mono, Classic 200, Trace SW 4024 ( 15 years old  but brand new out of sealed factory box Jan. 2015), Bogart Tri-metric,  460 Ah. 24 volt LiFePo4 battery bank. Plenty of Baja Sea of Cortez sunshine.

  • softdown
    softdown Solar Expert Posts: 3,830 ✭✭✭✭
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    Odd that I can't seem to be able to buy heating oil in this region. Pretty sure I could run it in my off road equipment. Many swear it is just diesel. 

    Kerosene is jet fuel and a lot like diesel. Less energy and less lubricity though. So you can't run it in your truck. Not for long anyway. 
    First Bank:16 180 watt Grape Solar with  FM80 controller and 3648 Inverter....Fullriver 8D AGM solar batteries. Second Bank/MacGyver Special: 10 165(?) watt BP Solar with Renogy MPPT 40A controller/ and Xantrex C-35 PWM controller/ and Morningstar PWM controller...Cotek 24V PSW inverter....forklift and diesel locomotive batteries
  • softdown
    softdown Solar Expert Posts: 3,830 ✭✭✭✭
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    Also had 4 flats in two weeks. Two on the same tire. The Tire Slime repair apparently gave out after almost 200 miles. At least the tire shops should no longer be insane pretty soon. 
    First Bank:16 180 watt Grape Solar with  FM80 controller and 3648 Inverter....Fullriver 8D AGM solar batteries. Second Bank/MacGyver Special: 10 165(?) watt BP Solar with Renogy MPPT 40A controller/ and Xantrex C-35 PWM controller/ and Morningstar PWM controller...Cotek 24V PSW inverter....forklift and diesel locomotive batteries
  • Wheelman55
    Wheelman55 Registered Users Posts: 238 ✭✭✭
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    I’ve had mostly good results using plugs. 
    Off-Grid in Terlingua, TX
    5,000 watt array - 14 CS 370 watt modules. HZLA horizontal tracker. Schneider: XW6048NA+, Mini PDP, MPPT 80-600, SCP. 390ah LiFeP04 battery bank - 3 Discover AES 42-48-6650 48 volt 130ah LiFePO4 batteries
  • Ralph Day
    Ralph Day Solar Expert Posts: 1,019 ✭✭✭✭
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    Dyed diesel is furnace oil, same tank trck delivers both from same tank
  • Marc Kurth
    Marc Kurth Solar Expert Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭✭
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    All understandable info but "something" has happened to make the price of diesel WAY out of line with gas. This probably has a huge effect on the price of everything else that gets delivered by trucking. Example, I was up in the states this week and saw diesel going for $6.99 a gallon vs. gas going for $4.29. That's not right. Here in Baja diesel and gas are both around $4.00 a gallon.

    Always look at the tax structure. We are running $2.35 to $2.45 locally for regular and diesel is around $3.50. I suspect that we will see sub-$2.00 soon because South Texas is already seeing $2.00.
    I always have more questions than answers. That's the nature of life.
  • DanS26
    DanS26 Solar Expert Posts: 267 ✭✭✭
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    I have had very good luck with this battery switch on seldom used equipment or for cars and trucks which will sit unused for over two weeks away from trickle chargers........

    https://www.amazon.com/Post-Battery-Master-Disconnect-Switch/dp/B001N729FS

    Since using this or similar switch my dead battery problems have disappeared.  One cautionary note...do not keep cranking on a hard starting engine.....the plastic will melt.  Just ask me how I know.
    23.16kW Kyocera panels; 2 Fronius 7.5kW inverters; Nyle hot water; Steffes ETS; Great Lakes RO; Generac 10kW w/ATS, TED Pro System monitoring
  • softdown
    softdown Solar Expert Posts: 3,830 ✭✭✭✭
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    DanS26 said:
    I have had very good luck with this battery switch on seldom used equipment or for cars and trucks which will sit unused for over two weeks away from trickle chargers........

    https://www.amazon.com/Post-Battery-Master-Disconnect-Switch/dp/B001N729FS

    Since using this or similar switch my dead battery problems have disappeared.  One cautionary note...do not keep cranking on a hard starting engine.....the plastic will melt.  Just ask me how I know.
    Those work well. I just disconnect the battery from seldom used cars. That lowers battery drain by, guessing here, ~75% or so. A lot. 
    First Bank:16 180 watt Grape Solar with  FM80 controller and 3648 Inverter....Fullriver 8D AGM solar batteries. Second Bank/MacGyver Special: 10 165(?) watt BP Solar with Renogy MPPT 40A controller/ and Xantrex C-35 PWM controller/ and Morningstar PWM controller...Cotek 24V PSW inverter....forklift and diesel locomotive batteries
  • softdown
    softdown Solar Expert Posts: 3,830 ✭✭✭✭
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    Now 5 flats and the flat in the rough terrain forklift tire could be expensive. The more I do the more things go wrong for sure. Feel like a mouse on a treadmill. Running like crazy and yet staying in one place. 
    First Bank:16 180 watt Grape Solar with  FM80 controller and 3648 Inverter....Fullriver 8D AGM solar batteries. Second Bank/MacGyver Special: 10 165(?) watt BP Solar with Renogy MPPT 40A controller/ and Xantrex C-35 PWM controller/ and Morningstar PWM controller...Cotek 24V PSW inverter....forklift and diesel locomotive batteries
  • softdown
    softdown Solar Expert Posts: 3,830 ✭✭✭✭
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    Then engine overheated with no warning. Then door handle broke off. All in two weeks. Ugh.
    First Bank:16 180 watt Grape Solar with  FM80 controller and 3648 Inverter....Fullriver 8D AGM solar batteries. Second Bank/MacGyver Special: 10 165(?) watt BP Solar with Renogy MPPT 40A controller/ and Xantrex C-35 PWM controller/ and Morningstar PWM controller...Cotek 24V PSW inverter....forklift and diesel locomotive batteries
  • softdown
    softdown Solar Expert Posts: 3,830 ✭✭✭✭
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    "Lost" a bunch more batteries recently. The 55' bucket truck stays off the grid for "convenient use". What is not so convenient is the batteries that die without sufficient usage.

    Then I "killed" a couple more diesel truck batteries by inadvertently leaving the dome light on. 

    Just discovered my 24V solar battery charger has apparently walked off. 

    My nice 12' TopHat trailer was very recently stolen with a very large load of fiberglass backed plywood on it. Can't do the police report because a hacker locked me out of email.

    There is almost no use in working it seems. Theft and other losses equals a mouse on a treadmill. Something breaks every single day. Thats on a good day. A bad day? Maybe three items bite the dust. 
    First Bank:16 180 watt Grape Solar with  FM80 controller and 3648 Inverter....Fullriver 8D AGM solar batteries. Second Bank/MacGyver Special: 10 165(?) watt BP Solar with Renogy MPPT 40A controller/ and Xantrex C-35 PWM controller/ and Morningstar PWM controller...Cotek 24V PSW inverter....forklift and diesel locomotive batteries