Switching to a compressor type Refer…
 
            
                
                    Bunkysdad                
                
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                    My truck camper is now up to 560w mppt solar and with two 200a/hr LFP batteries…Considering swapping out our 6 c/f Norcold refer with a 8.1 c/f Danfoss-Secop compressor-type refer rated nominally at 5.23 amps (so say, 125a/hrs over a 24 hr period)…Harvest under ‘ideal conditions’ might even be around 34-35 amps, but (per BattleBorn estimates) about a 3.75 amp hourly average over an 8hr harvest period, per each 100w panel, thus 168 net averaged recovered a/hrs…
Question here is, just wondering what experiences others might have had when using a compressor type refer??
                        
        
        
      Question here is, just wondering what experiences others might have had when using a compressor type refer??
Thanks, Bunkysdad 
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            Oops, (oddly, I don’t see an edit button?..), Imeant 240 net averaged amps instead of the aforementioned 168…Hope I got this right…
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            Sorry, Upon re-re-re-review, 168 net averaged a/hrs…sorry for me dummy  
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            You should see a "black gear" button to top right of post--You can edit clicking here".
 What you really want to know is how many Watt*Hours or Amp*Hour (@ 12 or 24 volts) uses per day.
 https://norcold.com/product/norcold-nrf-60-portable-refrigerator/ (???)
 For example, say the fridge (compressor type) uses 5.3 Amp*Hours and guess that it has a 50% duty cycle in "normal" operation:- 5.3 AH * 24 hours per day * 0.50 duty cycle = 63.6 AH per day (guess)
- 63.6 AH per day * 12 volts = 763 WH per day
 
 For your setup, guessing Carson City Nevada, fixed array, mounted flat to roof:
 http://www.solarelectricityhandbook.com/solar-irradiance.htmlCarson CityMeasured in kWh/m2/day onto a horizontal surface:
 Average Solar Insolation figures
 Say use camper Feb-October:Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun 2.29 
 3.15 
 4.61 
 5.85 
 7.01 
 7.77 
 Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec 7.76 
 6.89 
 5.60 
 4.06 
 2.60 
 2.11 
 - 560 Watt array * 0.77 off grid DC Li Ion system * 3.15 Hours of sun per day = 1,358 WH per day (February "break even")
- 1,358 WH per day harvest / 12 volt battery bank = 113 AH per day
 - 1358 WH per day * 0.65 "base load fudge factor" = 882.7 WH per day for "base loads"
 
 https://www.amazon.com/s?k=dc+digital+amp+volt+energy+meter&crid=25P8P1GNKJVVX
 Also, ventilation around the fridge is important... Above 85F ambient, many refrigerator/freezers tend to "have issues". And they also take more energy to cool.
 Your thoughts?
 -Bill
 Near San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset
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            I think Bill's 50% duty cycle is reasonable, or a bit conservative. For comparison, I have a 4.4 CF Novakool. I turned the compressor down to the lowest speed & it takes about 2.2 amps, & very roughly 50% DC. From end of charging, to start of charging I might be down 20-30 ah. This time of year that's about 16 hours. The heater probly takes about 5 - 10 ah.In hot weather 90F+, even with the compressor speed turned down, it keeps up, but duty cycle is probly approaching 100%I have no trouble keeping up with this with 350W solar.I'm going to be in Moab in mid March, I should keep closer track of consumption.
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            Wow, Sorry for my delayed response (sidetracked by projects and life - lol) but this is some terrific data, especially the calc methodology, as well as the valuable ‘real world’ testament !! Awesome!Update, I’ve since added another 100w panel (for a new total of 660w), but have not yet quite decided on the refer swap because of a unanticipated longer pay-back period due now to costlier fuel and likely fewer camping excursions, but nevertheless still actively considering!!Many Thanks to All!! !! Awesome!Update, I’ve since added another 100w panel (for a new total of 660w), but have not yet quite decided on the refer swap because of a unanticipated longer pay-back period due now to costlier fuel and likely fewer camping excursions, but nevertheless still actively considering!!Many Thanks to All!!
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            Hey Bill, upon a re-read, just curious what is meant by 0.77 dc lithium? - is this a kinda presumed LiFePO4 efficiency??
 please clarify…Thanks
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            Bunkysdad,
 I am assuming the Li Ion batteries are pretty much 100% efficient. The 0.77 is the derating of the solar panels and charge controller efficiency.- 0.81 panel derating (hot panels, Vmp falls and MPPT output drops or using PWM controller) * 0.95 charge controller efficiency = 0.77 overall efficiency
  
 On a hot summer day under full sun, the cells can be upwards 40C over ambient.
 MPPT (maximum power point tracking) charge controllers basically follow the equation:- Power to Battery = Vmp * Imp * 0.95 controller efficiency
 
 https://www.solar-electric.com/solarland-slp100-12u-100-watt-12-volt-solar-panel.html
 Maximum power (Pmax): 100 WattsNominal voltage: 12 Volts DCVoltage at Pmax (Vmp): 17.2 Volts DCCurrent at Pmax (Imp): 5.81 Amps DCOpen-circuit voltage (Voc): 21.6 Volts DCShort-circuit current (Isc): 6.46 Amps DCPower tolerance: +/- 5%
 As long as Vmp is over Vbatt--Then Imp (current from solar panel) is passed to battery:- 5.81 Amps Imp * 14.5 volts charging = 84 Watts
- 84 Watts actual / 100 Watts Pmp = 0.84 "derating" for panels
- 0.84 panel derating (on PWM) * 0.95 Controller eff = 0.80 over all system eff
 
 -Bill
 Near San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset
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            Many Thanks Bill for the very detailed and revealing answer!!…Upon the first cut, it’ll likely take me a bit to fully wrap my mind around it, but you’ve shared some truly rational and invaluable information Sir, I appreciate your fine tutelage !!Bunkysdad
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            You are very welcome Bunkysdad,
 Feel free to ask more questions as they come up.
 Take care,
 -BillNear San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset
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