DC Ceiling Fan - will it work?
kansas
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I have a cabin with a 300 watt solar system. Will I be able to start and operate a DC motor ceiling fan that requires 30 watts at high speed? I don't want to purchase one, install it from my 16' ceiling and then find out it won't work.
Two 140 watt Kyocera panels, wired in parallel; Ironridge top of pole mount; two 6 volt, 242 AH US batteries, wired in series; Morningstar ProStar 30 charge controller and SureSine 300 inverter; Trimetric 2025-A meter; IOTA DLS-45 charger, Honda EG3500X generator; Aermotor 702 water pumping windmill.
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erase bogus equation and below had 300 Watt fan. All wrong.
Different DC Fan Mfg... One vendor/model suggested used 18 Watts on maximum--That would be a much nicer fit for your system (although, these fans are not cheap):
http://forum.solar-electric.com/discussion/350028/ceiling-fans
You did not let us know the size of your battery bank and other loads--That is also important in this set of questions (and your feelings about using a genset to "help").
-Bill
Near San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset -
Bill - 30watts ÷ 12v = 2.5a
I have a 12vdc ceiling fan. I'm not sure of the draw but it's about 30" wide, and 2.5a seems about right.Off-grid.
Main daytime system ~4kw panels into 2xMNClassic150 370ah 48v bank 2xOutback 3548 inverter 120v + 240v autotransformer
Night system ~1kw panels into 1xMNClassic150 700ah 12v bank morningstar 300w inverter -
A fan from a 16' ceiling will have too long a down rod to be used most likely.
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BB. wrote a typo:30 Watts * 12 volts = 360 Watts
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In my city house I have a couple of ac ceiling fans in a sunroom with ~16' ceilings. The rods are ~3' and they work fine. They wobble slightly at top speed, but we rarely use them on full.Off-grid.
Main daytime system ~4kw panels into 2xMNClassic150 370ah 48v bank 2xOutback 3548 inverter 120v + 240v autotransformer
Night system ~1kw panels into 1xMNClassic150 700ah 12v bank morningstar 300w inverter -
On post #2, I had a really bogus equation. Nothing correct or useful.
Erased.
-Bill
Near San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset -
And I read too quickly and mixed the 30 watt fan.
Not my day today.
-BillNear San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset -
> @BB. said:
> And I read too quickly and mixed the 30 watt fan.
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> Not my day today.
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> -Bill
I take some (possibly pathetic) comfort that it happens to the best of usOff-grid.
Main daytime system ~4kw panels into 2xMNClassic150 370ah 48v bank 2xOutback 3548 inverter 120v + 240v autotransformer
Night system ~1kw panels into 1xMNClassic150 700ah 12v bank morningstar 300w inverter -
So, Bill are you saying my 300 watt system could power a 30 watt fan? My system is for occasional use, lighting and computer, small fans. I have a battery "bank" (two golf cart type batteries) but when I run low on power I just do without until the sun shines. The cabin is wired for a ceiling fan, which until now I've done without. Prices on DC motor fans seem to have come down and the price of a hanging light fixtures is almost as much as a fan with a light built in. Thanks all for your help.Two 140 watt Kyocera panels, wired in parallel; Ironridge top of pole mount; two 6 volt, 242 AH US batteries, wired in series; Morningstar ProStar 30 charge controller and SureSine 300 inverter; Trimetric 2025-A meter; IOTA DLS-45 charger, Honda EG3500X generator; Aermotor 702 water pumping windmill.
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At the risk of putting words in Bill's mouth, yes. A 30w fan shouldn't be a problem for a couple of golf cart batteries. I run a DC fridge on my boat on a couple of GCs.
The main issue is run time. Running it 24x7 plus running computer, other fans, and lighting might be a problem, especially if you're running on solar alone. For good battery life, try to avoid running the batteries down much below 50% full (~12.2v with no big loads or charge sources) and never leave batteries sitting at a low state of charge for more than a day or so.Off-grid.
Main daytime system ~4kw panels into 2xMNClassic150 370ah 48v bank 2xOutback 3548 inverter 120v + 240v autotransformer
Night system ~1kw panels into 1xMNClassic150 700ah 12v bank morningstar 300w inverter -
I put words (and feet) into my own mouth--Thank you very much Estragon.
Anyway, there are several ways to approach a system. The "best" is to estimate you loads (and how many days of "no sun"/generator usage are acceptable, and such) then define your battery bank. Next, define the solar array to both "keep the battery bank happy" and keep up with your daily loads (two different calculations).
Or, we start with your system and see how much useful energy we can get out of it. Since you have 2x golf cart batteries and 300 Watts of panel...
With your battery bank, the usual "optimum" is 2 days of stored energy and 50% maximum discharge. For a "golf cart" bank, that would be around:- 200 AH * 12 volts * 1/2 days storage * 0.50 maximum discharge = 600 Watts of stored energy per day
Or, if you have other loads... Say (just throwing some generic numbers out there):- 30 Watt fan * 10 hours = 300 WH per day
- 20 Watts lights * 5 hours = 100 WH
- 30 Watt laptop computer * 6 hours per day = 180 Watts
- Total = ~580 WH per day from your GC battery bank
- 200 AH * 14.5 volts charging * 1/0.77 panel+controller deratings * 0.05 rate of charge = 188 Watt array minimum
- 200 AH * 14.5 volts charging * 1/0.77 panel+controller deratings * 0.10 rate of charge = 377 Watt array nominal
- 200 AH * 14.5 volts charging * 1/0.77 panel+controller deratings * 0.13 rate of charge = 490 Watt array "cost effective" maximum
http://www.solarelectricityhandbook.com/solar-irradiance.htmlTopeka
Measured in kWh/m2/day onto a solar panel set at a 51° angle from vertical:
Average Solar Insolation figures
(For best year-round performance)
Toss out the bottom three months (generator assist), you can expect (long term average) solar power per day of:Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun 3.57
3.75
4.66
4.89
5.16
5.41
Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec 5.70
5.36
5.33
4.64
3.61
3.36
- 300 Watt array * 0.52 off grid AC system eff * 3.75 hours of sun (February break even month) = 585 Watt*Hours of solar (February average)
- 300 Watt array * 0.52 off grid AC system eff * 5.0 hours of sun = 780 WH per day from solar (May-September)
Does this look like such a system can meet your needs?
-Bill
Near San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset
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