Need Help Designing RV System

First a quick introduction: I bought a partially finished travel trailer project and it has no electrical (other than tail lights). I am interested in a 12v system for things like a dome light, porch lights, a CO2 detector and a portable DVD player.

What I need is some help in choosing panel wattage and a battery. I have been compiling a list of energy requirements, and I think I have them nailed down pretty well:

2 LED porch lights: 1 amp each, maybe a few hours a day.
1 LED dome light: 1 amp, maybe a few hours a day.
DVD player: 3 amps @ 9.8v, maybe 2 hours a day.
12v CO2 detector: 0.6 amp, 24 hour draw.

So my current calculations indicate a 26.4 amp hour draw on the battery, per day. Let's call is an even 30 for simplicity sake (I don't see it going over 30, for almost any reason). That is, if I understand this correctly?

So assuming my calculations are correct, what kind of panel should I be looking for?

Thanks in advance.

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  • BB.
    BB. Super Moderators, Administrators Posts: 33,613 admin
    Re: Need Help Designing RV System

    You don't say where you will be traveling and what seasons it will be done in... However, lets start where you live.

    Using PV Watts, a 1,000 watts (1 kW) of solar panels (round number, smallest web site will accept). Elko, mounted flat to roof, 0.52 system efficiency, we get (note: this assuming you use an AC inverter for system efficiency):
    "Station Identification"
    "City:","Elko"
    "State:","Nevada"

    "Lat (deg N):", 40.83
    "Long (deg W):", 115.78
    "Elev (m): ", 1547
    "PV System Specifications"
    "DC Rating:"," 1.0 kW"
    "DC to AC Derate Factor:"," 0.520"
    "AC Rating:"," 0.5 kW"
    "Array Type: Fixed Tilt"
    "Array Tilt:"," 0.0"

    "Array Azimuth:","180.0"

    "Energy Specifications"
    "Cost of Electricity:"," 9.7 cents/kWh"

    "Results"
    "Month", "Solar Radiation (kWh/m^2/day)", "AC Energy (kWh)", "Energy Value ($)"
    1, 2.12, 31, 3.01
    2, 2.86, 39, 3.78
    3, 3.97, 61, 5.92
    4, 5.11, 75, 7.27
    5, 6.51, 96, 9.31
    6, 7.22, 100, 9.70
    7, 7.16, 99, 9.60
    8, 6.59, 92, 8.92
    9, 5.40, 75, 7.27
    10, 3.80, 54, 5.24
    11, 2.28, 31, 3.01
    12, 1.90, 26, 2.52
    "Year", 4.59, 778, 75.47

    Lets toss out the "bad" three months of the year, we get 2.86 hours of sun per day average for February.

    Say your 30 AH @ 12 volts is the amount of DC power you need (no inverter losses), then your system efficiency is
    • ~0.80 battery eff * 0.77 solar panel + charger eff = 0.62 derating
    • 30 AH * 14.5 volts charging * 1/0.62 sys eff * 1/2.86 hours of sun = 245 watts of solar panels.
    Say you want to store enough energy for 2 days of "no sun" and 50% maximum discharge (for longer battery life):
    • 30 AH * 2 day * 1/0.50 max discharge = 120 AH minimum
    To support charging of that battery bank with solar panels, the starting rule of thumb is 5% to 13% rate of charge:
    • 120 AH * 14.5 volts charging * 1/0.77 panel+charger derating * 0.05 = 113 Watts minimum
    • 120 AH * 14.5 volts charging * 1/0.77 panel+charger derating * 0.13 = 294 watts ~cost effective maximum
    So--if you mount the panels flat to the roof, you should install roughly 245-300 watts of solar panels for ~9 months of mostly generator free camping with your defined loads.

    Now, if you plan on camping in winter (and/or going farther north), you should consider tilting the panel up. For example, in your area tilting the panel to latitude +15 degrees to ~55 degrees gives you:
    "Station Identification"
    "City:","Elko"
    "State:","Nevada"
    "Lat (deg N):", 40.83
    "Long (deg W):", 115.78
    "Elev (m): ", 1547
    "PV System Specifications"
    "DC Rating:"," 1.0 kW"
    "DC to AC Derate Factor:"," 0.520"
    "AC Rating:"," 0.5 kW"
    "Array Type: Fixed Tilt"
    "Array Tilt:"," 55.0"
    "Array Azimuth:","180.0"

    "Energy Specifications"
    "Cost of Electricity:"," 9.7 cents/kWh"

    "Results"
    "Month", "Solar Radiation (kWh/m^2/day)", "AC Energy (kWh)", "Energy Value ($)"
    1, 4.05, 66, 6.40
    2, 4.47, 64, 6.21
    3, 5.06, 79, 7.66
    4, 5.04, 73, 7.08
    5, 5.45, 79, 7.66
    6, 5.51, 74, 7.18
    7, 5.73, 77, 7.47
    8, 6.23, 85, 8.24
    9, 6.46, 90, 8.73
    10, 5.86, 87, 8.44
    11, 4.04, 60, 5.82
    12, 3.93, 63, 6.11
    "Year", 5.16, 897, 87.01
    ...almost 2x as much useful power in winter (with the added cost and hassles of tilting the array). This will allow you to either consume more power or build out a smaller array.

    Here is a nice thread with video from Kevin in Calgary Canada that shows designing and installing solar PV in a small RV trailer.

    Questions?

    -Bill
    Near San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset
  • System2
    System2 Posts: 6,290 admin
    Re: Need Help Designing RV System

    Thank you Bill.

    No AC inverter, and I am thinking my nightly consumption is probably closer to 15aH.

    5 or so hours around 3 amps from an 85 watt (tiltable) panel sound about right?
  • BB.
    BB. Super Moderators, Administrators Posts: 33,613 admin
    Re: Need Help Designing RV System

    Josh,
    • 5 hours of sun * 85 watts * 0.77 panel+charger eff * 1/14.5 volts charging = 22.7 Amp*Hours
    The next question is battery size... Larger batteries should have larger solar arrays to quickly recharge them. Lead acid batteries that spend more than a few hours/day below ~75% state of charge begin to sulfate.

    So, how many days of "no sun" do you want to plan for?

    Also, you listed a CO2 detector... Did you mean CO (carbon monoxide) instead?

    In any case the COx detector is a fair amount of your energy usage... Finding a lower power version and/or only running it during sleeping/heating hours may save you a bunch of power.

    -Bill
    Near San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset