Need Help Designing RV System
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First a quick introduction: I bought a partially finished travel trailer project and it has no electrical (other than tail lights). I am interested in a 12v system for things like a dome light, porch lights, a CO2 detector and a portable DVD player.
What I need is some help in choosing panel wattage and a battery. I have been compiling a list of energy requirements, and I think I have them nailed down pretty well:
2 LED porch lights: 1 amp each, maybe a few hours a day.
1 LED dome light: 1 amp, maybe a few hours a day.
DVD player: 3 amps @ 9.8v, maybe 2 hours a day.
12v CO2 detector: 0.6 amp, 24 hour draw.
So my current calculations indicate a 26.4 amp hour draw on the battery, per day. Let's call is an even 30 for simplicity sake (I don't see it going over 30, for almost any reason). That is, if I understand this correctly?
So assuming my calculations are correct, what kind of panel should I be looking for?
Thanks in advance.
What I need is some help in choosing panel wattage and a battery. I have been compiling a list of energy requirements, and I think I have them nailed down pretty well:
2 LED porch lights: 1 amp each, maybe a few hours a day.
1 LED dome light: 1 amp, maybe a few hours a day.
DVD player: 3 amps @ 9.8v, maybe 2 hours a day.
12v CO2 detector: 0.6 amp, 24 hour draw.
So my current calculations indicate a 26.4 amp hour draw on the battery, per day. Let's call is an even 30 for simplicity sake (I don't see it going over 30, for almost any reason). That is, if I understand this correctly?
So assuming my calculations are correct, what kind of panel should I be looking for?
Thanks in advance.
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Re: Need Help Designing RV System
You don't say where you will be traveling and what seasons it will be done in... However, lets start where you live.
Using PV Watts, a 1,000 watts (1 kW) of solar panels (round number, smallest web site will accept). Elko, mounted flat to roof, 0.52 system efficiency, we get (note: this assuming you use an AC inverter for system efficiency):"Station Identification"
"City:","Elko"
"State:","Nevada"
"Lat (deg N):", 40.83
"Long (deg W):", 115.78
"Elev (m): ", 1547
"PV System Specifications"
"DC Rating:"," 1.0 kW"
"DC to AC Derate Factor:"," 0.520"
"AC Rating:"," 0.5 kW"
"Array Type: Fixed Tilt"
"Array Tilt:"," 0.0"
"Array Azimuth:","180.0"
"Energy Specifications"
"Cost of Electricity:"," 9.7 cents/kWh"
"Results"
"Month", "Solar Radiation (kWh/m^2/day)", "AC Energy (kWh)", "Energy Value ($)"
1, 2.12, 31, 3.01
2, 2.86, 39, 3.78
3, 3.97, 61, 5.92
4, 5.11, 75, 7.27
5, 6.51, 96, 9.31
6, 7.22, 100, 9.70
7, 7.16, 99, 9.60
8, 6.59, 92, 8.92
9, 5.40, 75, 7.27
10, 3.80, 54, 5.24
11, 2.28, 31, 3.01
12, 1.90, 26, 2.52
"Year", 4.59, 778, 75.47
Lets toss out the "bad" three months of the year, we get 2.86 hours of sun per day average for February.
Say your 30 AH @ 12 volts is the amount of DC power you need (no inverter losses), then your system efficiency is- ~0.80 battery eff * 0.77 solar panel + charger eff = 0.62 derating
- 30 AH * 14.5 volts charging * 1/0.62 sys eff * 1/2.86 hours of sun = 245 watts of solar panels.
- 30 AH * 2 day * 1/0.50 max discharge = 120 AH minimum
- 120 AH * 14.5 volts charging * 1/0.77 panel+charger derating * 0.05 = 113 Watts minimum
- 120 AH * 14.5 volts charging * 1/0.77 panel+charger derating * 0.13 = 294 watts ~cost effective maximum
Now, if you plan on camping in winter (and/or going farther north), you should consider tilting the panel up. For example, in your area tilting the panel to latitude +15 degrees to ~55 degrees gives you:"Station Identification"
"City:","Elko"
"State:","Nevada"
"Lat (deg N):", 40.83
"Long (deg W):", 115.78
"Elev (m): ", 1547
"PV System Specifications"
"DC Rating:"," 1.0 kW"
"DC to AC Derate Factor:"," 0.520"
"AC Rating:"," 0.5 kW"
"Array Type: Fixed Tilt"
"Array Tilt:"," 55.0"
"Array Azimuth:","180.0"
"Energy Specifications"
"Cost of Electricity:"," 9.7 cents/kWh"
"Results"
"Month", "Solar Radiation (kWh/m^2/day)", "AC Energy (kWh)", "Energy Value ($)"
1, 4.05, 66, 6.40
2, 4.47, 64, 6.21
3, 5.06, 79, 7.66
4, 5.04, 73, 7.08
5, 5.45, 79, 7.66
6, 5.51, 74, 7.18
7, 5.73, 77, 7.47
8, 6.23, 85, 8.24
9, 6.46, 90, 8.73
10, 5.86, 87, 8.44
11, 4.04, 60, 5.82
12, 3.93, 63, 6.11
"Year", 5.16, 897, 87.01
Here is a nice thread with video from Kevin in Calgary Canada that shows designing and installing solar PV in a small RV trailer.
Questions?
-BillNear San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset -
Re: Need Help Designing RV System
Thank you Bill.
No AC inverter, and I am thinking my nightly consumption is probably closer to 15aH.
5 or so hours around 3 amps from an 85 watt (tiltable) panel sound about right? -
Re: Need Help Designing RV System
Josh,- 5 hours of sun * 85 watts * 0.77 panel+charger eff * 1/14.5 volts charging = 22.7 Amp*Hours
So, how many days of "no sun" do you want to plan for?
Also, you listed a CO2 detector... Did you mean CO (carbon monoxide) instead?
In any case the COx detector is a fair amount of your energy usage... Finding a lower power version and/or only running it during sleeping/heating hours may save you a bunch of power.
-BillNear San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset
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