Very nice news!

Dave Angelini
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Schneider Electric, a global specialist in energy management, is exhibiting at Solar Power International in Booth 1211 to showcase our Renewable Energy Solutions and launch a new product offering. Media are invited to a press conference for an in-depth introduction to the new product line and to Schneider Electric's renewable energy solutions.
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  • boB
    boB Solar Expert Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭✭
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    Re: Very nice news!
    Dave Sparks wrote: »
    Schneider Electric, a global specialist in energy management, is exhibiting at Solar Power International in Booth 1211 to showcase our Renewable Energy Solutions and launch a new product offering. Media are invited to a press conference for an in-depth introduction to the new product line and to Schneider Electric's renewable energy solutions.

    So, we'll see you there ??? :D

    boB
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  • Dave Angelini
    Dave Angelini Solar Expert Posts: 6,943 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
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    Re: Very nice news!

    Hey boB
    It is always a bittersweet decision on going to LA after being offgrid so long... So, sorry I won't be seeing you but something I worked on will! There is a smart grid conference up in San Jose that time period and that is something that really interests me. Good Luck with your babies!
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  • boB
    boB Solar Expert Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭✭
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    Re: Very nice news!
    Dave Sparks wrote: »
    Hey boB
    It is always a bittersweet decision on going to LA after being offgrid so long... So, sorry I won't be seeing you but something I worked on will! There is a smart grid conference up in San Jose that time period and that is something that really interests me. Good Luck with your babies!


    OK then. I'm guessing that it's probably the high voltage controller.

    Have a good time though !

    boB
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  • Dave Angelini
    Dave Angelini Solar Expert Posts: 6,943 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
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    Re: Very nice news!

    Mayyyybeee! You know I can't say!
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  • Dave Angelini
    Dave Angelini Solar Expert Posts: 6,943 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
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    OK they announced it! I have wanted this tool in my box for a long time. I really thought with this nasty recession that this project would be cancelled.

    Love them or not, it is a very nice piece of work. The state of the art commercially for this wide of conversion range. Thanks to all the folks involved in any of the new CC's that are coming out!





    The Xantrex high voltage charge controller XW MPPT – 80 - 600



    600 vdc 80 amp charge controller for 24VDC and 48VDC nominal battery systems.

    24 months and up to 12 years of logs.

    Negative, positive, or ungrounded with PV GFCI.

    Boost algorithm for battery maintenance.

    Can power its own system control panel for those with another brand of inverter.

    ½ WATT loss at night.

    No relay sounds.

    Variable speed fan that I never had come on all summer with a 1600-watt array.

    Room for 3 strings and fuses but not listed for fuses internally. A lot of room though...

    Xanbus enabled. Aux output for alarms etc.

    Current limits at 23 amps on solar input. NEC compliance would require #10 AWG with 75C insulation.

    MPPT range 195V to 600V with a shut down at 550V for protection. I saw efficiency in the mid 90's with a 24V nominal battery

    500 foot + array to house distances with wire gages that are easy to work with & less expensive wire.

    Conversion from a battery less inverter without having to go up on the roof to rewire.

    Balance of system components and install times are reduced dramatically.

    I was told availability in early 2011.

    Complies with FCC class B devices.

    5 year warranty.
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  • AntronX
    AntronX Solar Expert Posts: 462 ✭✭
    #7
    Re: Very nice news!

    Great! Finally someone is releasing high voltage controller. How about MPPT voltage range and efficiency?
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  • Dave Angelini
    Dave Angelini Solar Expert Posts: 6,943 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    #8
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    Antron,
    I added your info! Thx!
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  • Solar Guppy
    Solar Guppy Solar Expert Posts: 1,989 ✭✭✭
    #9
    Re: Very nice news!

    Can you post a pick of your unit?
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  • Dave Angelini
    Dave Angelini Solar Expert Posts: 6,943 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
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    Solar Guppy wrote: »
    Can you post a pick of your unit?

    I will ask! It is not small!
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  • mike95490
    mike95490 Solar Expert Posts: 9,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
    #11
    Re: Very nice news!
    Can you post a pick of your unit?

    Dave Sparks wrote: »
    I will ask! It is not small!


    I was able to post a pic of my house, just had to compress the bits somewhat.

    Disk & Bandwidth Reduction Tip #1: Optimize Images

    or

    http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/234/jpg_compression_the_bandwidth_saver_article
    Powerfab top of pole PV mount | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
    || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
    || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

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  • Solar Guppy
    Solar Guppy Solar Expert Posts: 1,989 ✭✭✭
    #12
    Re: Very nice news!

    More like is it OK with Xantrex as in NDA would be my take

    I'm guessing its similar in size to the GT seeing its 80 amps, just was curious
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  • halfcrazy
    halfcrazy Solar Expert Posts: 720 ✭✭✭
    #13
    Re: Very nice news!

    I heard it is about the size of the xw maybe not as wide but as tall. rumor mill says 1500 bucks
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  • Dave Angelini
    Dave Angelini Solar Expert Posts: 6,943 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    #14
    Re: Very nice news!
    mike90045 wrote: »
    I was able to post a pic of my house, just had to compress the bits somewhat.

    Disk & Bandwidth Reduction Tip #1: Optimize Images

    or

    http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/234/jpg_compression_the_bandwidth_saver_article

    No Mike,
    I have to ask X and I 'am waiting. You have worked for big companies in aerospace? You know that you don't fool around with this stuff. They have been great BTW!
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  • boB
    boB Solar Expert Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭✭
    #15
    Re: Very nice news!

    It's as tall as the Xantrex inverter BOS box is on the side. Like, 2 1/2 or 3 feet ?

    It might look a wee bit funny if not mounted to the X-Box though.

    Maybe I will post a picture. BTW, there may be a bit of discrepancy on the low
    end MPPT Voltage. I heard 240 Volts but would hope that it really is more like
    195V.

    boB
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  • Dave Angelini
    Dave Angelini Solar Expert Posts: 6,943 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    #16
    Re: Very nice news!

    Yea post it ! I have not heard back. The pix I have is a shameless plug for my business. The thing with the 195V bottom of the tracking range is for a 24V nominal. The 48V nominal is not guaranteed to track max power until 240V is available.

    A question, is your 250V CC's VOC a subtraction of the battery voltage? I was hoping to use one but ended up not being able to wait and had to use an Apollo 200v CC.
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  • techntrek
    techntrek Solar Expert Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭
    #17
    Re: Very nice news!

    Why such a difference on MPPT range with 24 V vs. 48 V systems? I'm curious if anyone knows the technical reasons.
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  • halfcrazy
    halfcrazy Solar Expert Posts: 720 ✭✭✭
    #18
    Re: Very nice news!
    Dave Sparks wrote: »
    Yea post it ! I have not heard back. The pix I have is a shameless plug for my business. The thing with the 195V bottom of the tracking range is for a 24V nominal. The 48V nominal is not guaranteed to track max power until 240V is available.

    A question, is your 250V CC's VOC a subtraction of the battery voltage? I was hoping to use one but ended up not being able to wait and had to use an Apollo 200v CC.

    Dave the 250 volt Classic is operational at 250vdc the safe withstand voltage is 250 vdc plus battery vdc roughly
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  • Dave Angelini
    Dave Angelini Solar Expert Posts: 6,943 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    #19
    Re: Very nice news!
    halfcrazy wrote: »
    Dave the 250 volt Classic is operational at 250vdc the safe withstand voltage is 250 vdc plus battery vdc roughly

    Thanks! So, with 48v battery, it is a max voc of roughly 200vdc correct?
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  • Vic
    Vic Solar Expert Posts: 3,208 ✭✭✭✭
    #20
    Re: Very nice news!

    Nice graphs, AND see the table at the bottom:

    http://www.midnitesolar.com/images/classicFrontPage/graphs.php

    Vic
    Off Grid - Two systems -- 4 SW+ 5548 Inverters, Surrette 4KS25 1280 AH X2@48V, 11.1 KW STC PV, 4X MidNite Classic 150 w/ WBjrs, Beta KID on S-530s, MX-60s, MN Bkrs/Boxes.  25 KVA Polyphase Kubota diesel,  Honda Eu6500isa,  Eu3000is-es, Eu2000,  Eu1000 gensets.  Thanks Wind-Sun for this great Forum.
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  • halfcrazy
    halfcrazy Solar Expert Posts: 720 ✭✭✭
    #21
    Re: Very nice news!
    Dave Sparks wrote: »
    Thanks! So, with 48v battery, it is a max voc of roughly 200vdc correct?

    nope add the battery voltage to the operating voltage so a max voc off 250vdc + 48vdc = 298vdc
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  • boB
    boB Solar Expert Posts: 1,032 ✭✭✭✭
    #22
    Re: Very nice news!
    Dave Sparks wrote: »
    Yea post it ! I have not heard back. The pix I have is a shameless plug for my business.

    Nahhh.... I better respect their wishes about them not wanting any pictures taken in their booth, for whatever reason.

    boB
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  • Dave Angelini
    Dave Angelini Solar Expert Posts: 6,943 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    #23
    Re: Very nice news!
    boB wrote: »
    Nahhh.... I better respect their wishes about them not wanting any pictures taken in their booth, for whatever reason.

    boB

    I know what you mean! Back in the 80's at HP we use to have alot of Cannon engineers from Japan taking pictures. For a short time there was "gate" that you had to walk thru that took care of the film problem.

    http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/g0B1_rpbe9J9d6Fs1JHfEA?feat=directlink
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  • Dave Angelini
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    #24
    Re: Very nice news!

    I just recieved the "final firmware" so things are looking good.
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  • Dave Angelini
    Dave Angelini Solar Expert Posts: 6,943 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    #25
    Re: Very nice news!
    Dave Sparks wrote: »
    OK they announced it! I have wanted this tool in my box for a long time. I really thought with this nasty recession that this project would be cancelled.

    Love them or not, it is a very nice piece of work. The state of the art commercially for this wide of conversion range. Thanks to all the folks involved in any of the new CC's that are coming out!





    The Xantrex high voltage charge controller XW MPPT – 80 - 600



    600 vdc 80 amp charge controller for 24VDC and 48VDC nominal battery systems.

    24 months and up to 12 years of logs.

    Negative, positive, or ungrounded with PV GFCI.

    Boost algorithm for battery maintenance.

    Can power its own system control panel for those with another brand of inverter.

    ½ WATT loss at night.

    No relay sounds.

    Variable speed fan that I never had come on all summer with a 1600-watt array.

    Room for 3 strings and fuses but not listed for fuses internally. A lot of room though...

    Xanbus enabled. Aux output for alarms etc.

    Current limits at 23 amps on solar input. NEC compliance would require #10 AWG with 75C insulation.

    MPPT range 195V to 600V with a shut down at 550V for protection. I saw efficiency in the mid 90's with a 24V nominal battery

    500 foot + array to house distances with wire gages that are easy to work with & less expensive wire.

    Conversion from a battery less inverter without having to go up on the roof to rewire.

    Balance of system components and install times are reduced dramatically.

    I was told availability in early 2011.

    Complies with FCC class B devices.

    5 year warranty.

    The "fast sweep" is betwwen 40 and 100 miliseconds depending on load. They are saying 65 units in the wherehouse mid February.
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  • mike95490
    mike95490 Solar Expert Posts: 9,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
    #26
    Re: Very nice news!

    So, I've got a thought here, about using a high voltage string for battery charging in cloudy weather ?

    with enough light, all PV's come up to .55V per cell, but current depends on the brightness.

    I'm wondering, if on a cloudy day, more power can be harvested from a HV array, that downconvert the voltage, than a low voltage array, which has no amps ?

    If so, I'm in for the HV charger !
    Powerfab top of pole PV mount | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
    || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
    || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

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  • niel
    niel Solar Expert Posts: 10,300 ✭✭✭✭
    #27
    Re: Very nice news!
    mike90045 wrote: »
    So, I've got a thought here, about using a high voltage string for battery charging in cloudy weather ?

    with enough light, all PV's come up to .55V per cell, but current depends on the brightness.

    I'm wondering, if on a cloudy day, more power can be harvested from a HV array, that downconvert the voltage, than a low voltage array, which has no amps ?

    If so, I'm in for the HV charger !

    i don't think the hv will do any better than the low voltage for as you said the voltage is there even on the lower voltage systems. often there is a drop in efficiency with wider input/output ratios so my bet is on the lower voltage system harvesting more power all be it small.
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  • Dave Angelini
    Dave Angelini Solar Expert Posts: 6,943 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    #28
    Re: Very nice news!

    Hard to say without an A vs. B test. That rarely happens in any double blind tests without parties that have financial interest. The charge algorithim is certainly pretty damn fast.

    i think of these controllers as a way to have multiple arrays on hills with shading, in the mountains, where most of the people I deal with live. It gives them a way to run a long distance to non shaded areas during the low angle sun of winter. A tool in the tool box for a great inverter/ charger.
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