Damage to PV panels when they are disconnected long term (say, for months at a time)?

Fenachrone
Fenachrone Registered Users Posts: 29 ✭✭
I've seen a bit of talk about this topic here and there, but would like more clarity on the issue. The question is how much do panels suffer from not being connected, that is, just sitting out there in the sun on a roof, or rack -- no load on them, and breakers off at combiner.

Some commenters say that the panels will be significantly damaged over the long term when out in the sun if not hooked to a load; others speak of minimal or no degradation.

So just how much, really, is the degradation, if any?   I've also heard that CdTe-based panels, or thin-film amorphous types, are most at risk, but silicon-based not much.

Thanks for any insights!
Off-grid cabin in eastern Canada: 1700w of panels, Midnite Solar Classic 250 SL, Outback VFX 3524,   Mate, Grundfos SQFlex pump, Kilovault HLX LifePO4 batteries.

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  • BB.
    BB. Super Moderators, Administrators Posts: 33,613 admin
    The chatter has always been that Cadmium thin film solar panels should never been left in the sun disconnected (more than a few weeks--Fuzzy memory from long ago?).

    Since they were always "pushed" for utility solar farms (more efficient, cheaper, better high temperature performance, etc.)., it seemed be more of a theoretical discussion.

    I went trolling through the internet and looked for First Solar spec sheets, and the only limitation I could find was they the panels needed to be installed in portrait orientation only:

    https://www.firstsolar.com/-/media/First-Solar/Technical-Documents/Series-6-Datasheets/Series-6-Datasheet.ashx

    There are lots of "standard" solar panel warnings such as "don't disconnect MC4 connections under load, keep connections clean and dry, don't throw rocks at solar panels, etc.), do not disconnect/connect MC4 connectors more than 10 times (connectors can wear out/fail)... First Solar panels are around 280 Voc (high voltage DC), so avoid electrocution, don't submerge panels in water, etc.

    First solar series 6 installation manual:

    https://www.firstsolar.com/-/media/First-Solar/Technical-Documents/User-Guides/Series-6-User-Guide.ashx?la=en

    Turns out that First Solar panels appear to not have "bypass diodes" and can be easily damanged/ruined in certain shading conditions:

    Marketing documents suggest that these CD thin film panels be used for mobile and "variable load" situations (such as car charging stations, etc.). And remember that for DC battery charging, the charge controllers draw near zero amps when the battery bank is full...

    At this point, I can find no "official" documentation on CD-thin film panels must not be left out in the sun disconnected. But there are other issues with shading that could be a big problem with variable shading damaging panels--Which standard silicon panels are protected against with bypass diodes.

    So is the "don't leave unconnected" CD-thin film panels a myth? Anyone else find "mfg's documentation" on this issue?

    -Bill
    Near San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset
  • JRHill
    JRHill Registered Users Posts: 353 ✭✭✭
    Well, I'll let you know. I've got 4 panels on a pole mount that used to power our water well. They haven't been connected since  the bank of batteries went dead three years ago and I just plugged the pump into the house system. I am finally going to move three of them them to the house roof before fall. Otoh...
    Off Grid. Two systems: 1) 2925w panels, OB VFXR3648, FM80, FNDC, Victron BMV-712, Mate3s, 240 xformer, four SimpliPHI 3.8; 2) 780w, Morningstar 30a, Grundfos switch, controller and AC/DC pump, 8 T105. Honda EU7000is w/AGS. Champion 3100. HF 4550, Miller Bobcat.
  • Fenachrone
    Fenachrone Registered Users Posts: 29 ✭✭
    My system doesn't use Cadmium thin film panels, but that's the type I read were vulnerable.

    But again, there's nothing definitive I can find about others.   You're right about all the warnings about connections, breaking connections under load, shading, etc. 

    I posed this question initially because I have a place I close up for winter.  I'd prefer to not leave electronics on without supervision, so panels are basically "off" at the combiner box until I open the place up in the spring.



    BB. said:
    The chatter has always been that Cadmium thin film solar panels should never been left in the sun disconnected (more than a few weeks--Fuzzy memory from long ago?).

    Since they were always "pushed" for utility solar farms (more efficient, cheaper, better high temperature performance, etc.)., it seemed be more of a theoretical discussion.

    I went trolling through the internet and looked for First Solar spec sheets, and the only limitation I could find was they the panels needed to be installed in portrait orientation only:

    https://www.firstsolar.com/-/media/First-Solar/Technical-Documents/Series-6-Datasheets/Series-6-Datasheet.ashx

    There are lots of "standard" solar panel warnings such as "don't disconnect MC4 connections under load, keep connections clean and dry, don't throw rocks at solar panels, etc.), do not disconnect/connect MC4 connectors more than 10 times (connectors can wear out/fail)... First Solar panels are around 280 Voc (high voltage DC), so avoid electrocution, don't submerge panels in water, etc.

    First solar series 6 installation manual:

    https://www.firstsolar.com/-/media/First-Solar/Technical-Documents/User-Guides/Series-6-User-Guide.ashx?la=en

    Turns out that First Solar panels appear to not have "bypass diodes" and can be easily damanged/ruined in certain shading conditions:

    Marketing documents suggest that these CD thin film panels be used for mobile and "variable load" situations (such as car charging stations, etc.). And remember that for DC battery charging, the charge controllers draw near zero amps when the battery bank is full...

    At this point, I can find no "official" documentation on CD-thin film panels must not be left out in the sun disconnected. But there are other issues with shading that could be a big problem with variable shading damaging panels--Which standard silicon panels are protected against with bypass diodes.

    So is the "don't leave unconnected" CD-thin film panels a myth? Anyone else find "mfg's documentation" on this issue?

    -Bill


    Off-grid cabin in eastern Canada: 1700w of panels, Midnite Solar Classic 250 SL, Outback VFX 3524,   Mate, Grundfos SQFlex pump, Kilovault HLX LifePO4 batteries.