D.I. water

homerramirez

Is it ok to add D.I water to forklift batteries?



thanks for any reply.

icarus

Re: D.I. water

Is "D.I" water "de-ionized" water? If so I believe that it should be fine. I don't know the difference between distilled and de-ionized water.

Tony

niel

Re: D.I. water

most battery manufacturers specify distilled and it is the best way imho to get pure water. this link goes into several methods and note that for de-ionized water that removing some minerals does not take out all chemicals and impurities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deionized_water

mike95490

Re: D.I. water

Aside from fluoride, not much gets past REAL DI water. Grocery store vending machine water is unreliable if you have a thousand dollar bank of batteries you are pouring it into. I use it in my radiator (50/50 mix)

homerramirez

Re: D.I. water

Well I work as maint. supervisor on a chem. co. , the D.I. water is used on some of the products are fab. it does consist of 3 diferent forms of filtration, the filter tanks used are, Anion, Cation and 2 filter tanks called polished beads, since (as explained to me) the process remove impurities on water also the positive and negative Ions? and the last one (mixed beads) polish the water, I rather use D.I. than tap water for the forklift batteries ....I just wasn't sure.....thanks again;)

mike95490

Re: D.I. water

It sounds like you DO have real DI water, and if you are confident that it's laboratory clean, it should be OK in the batteries.

But a filter system, 3 years old, under a kitchen sink, is not going to give you clean, DI water. They need a fair amount of maintainance, checking the output stream, changing pre-filters and filters......

Dabbler

Re: D.I. water

I've been using a TDS meter (total dissolved solids) to verify the water I use. It costs about $38 depending on where you get it. My belief is that the "proof is in the pudding". The key is to know what is coming out of your filters, and what is acceptable to your fork lift batteries.

I got mine here: http://www.waterfiltersonline.com/detail.asp?product_id=TDS-Meter-4-HMD

I keep a few batteries, and also maintain R.O. filters for friends and relatives that can't do the maintenance. They all have different input water quality and usage rates, so monitoring the actual output water quality is a more reliable way to decide when the filters need to be changed.

For reference, my tap water runs about 180 ppm, and my RO filter output is down around 4 ppm. I've been using that water in a stainless steel boiler of a steam room for about 2 years, and it shows no sign of any mineral deposits.

I would think that if your DI water is down around there in ppm, the batteries would be fine for their expected life. Mine are. Just my opinion.

If anyone is interested, I'd be happy to go get a jug of "distilled" water at the store and take a reading.

icarus

Re: D.I. water

"If anyone is interested, I'd be happy to go get a jug of "distilled" water at the store and take a reading."

I would find that interesting,
Tony

Lefty Wright

Re: D.I. water

I've worked on systems using water cooled conductors using DI water.

Also a system that used DI water in water cooled power tetrodes.

Both of these also had pretty elaborate de-ionizers. I guess it depends on how good and how well maintained the DI equipment is.

The water cooled conductors used 500MCM Locomotive cable to pass 1200A. That is almost twice the ampacity of that size in free air.

Dabbler

Re: D.I. water

Tony, here are some readings. I don't know how variable these water products might be, so mileage may vary from jug to jug. That's part of why I got the meter. I'm more confident checking the water, than the label.;)



Company, product, advertized purification method, ppm, cost:

Zephyrhills "Drinking Water"
Reverse Osmosis
0 ppm
$1.23/gal

Zephyrhills "Distilled Water"
Steam distillation, carbon filtration, microfiltration, ozonation
0 ppm
$1.23/gal

Publix "Purified Water"
Reverse osmosis, ozonation
1 ppm
$.85/gal

Nursery "Purified Water"
Steam distilled, filtered and ozonated. Selected minerals added for taste
( potassium bicarbonate, calcium chloride, magnesium chloride,
sodium fluoride)
25 ppm
$1.49/gal

Publix "Drinking Water"
Carbon filtered, ozonated, from a fluoridated municipal source
95 ppm
$.85/gal

Publix "Spring Water"
Filtered, ozonated
216 ppm
$.85/gal

icarus

Re: D.I. water

Interesting that the Z-hills RO drinking water is as good as the distilled! And that the other steam distilled is 25ppm. I wonder (I'm sure someone will tell us) what is the threshold for batteries? I assume that 0ppm is great,,, is 25 ppm OK?

Tony

homerramirez

Re: D.I. water

I forgot to add that on the polished beads tanks there are sensors (one on ea. tank), when LED ligth on sensor goes one red and one green we still have D.I water , 2 sensors on red= no D.I. water.....the tanks are serviced by Simmens as I request..... Thanks for your advice....

H.R.

creakndale

Re: D.I. water

Dabbler,
Thanks for running and nicely documenting the various bottled water total dissolved solids experiment! Very informative.
creakndale

BB.

Re: D.I. water

Cruzin' around the Innertubes--using the electrical resistivity method, the approximate maximum TDS for battery water should be around 20 ppm (one paper that I did not want to pay $31 to read) and from this deionizer filter company (download product lititure) they set their tester to 50 ppm as the "filter" exhausted point.

TDS for tap water seems to run from 50 ppm (very good, soft) to 250ppm (very poor or hard).

The lower the ppm, the longer your batteries will last. The more you equalize (consume more water)--I would guess, the lower you would want your TDS to be (cumulative effect of electrolysis gassing away water, and leaving solids behind).

As always, your mileage will vary.

-Bill

Mangas

Re: D.I. water

I wonder what ppm the various under sink kitchen purifiers give you from tap water?

That would be an interesting test too compared to the store bought water test.

BB.

Re: D.I. water

In researching for another post/question, ran across this detailed chart of what PPM levels are problems for various contaminants (page 11 in the English guide) from the Trojan Literature Page:

Trojan Battery User's Guide (English)
Trojan Battery User's Guide (Spanish)

-Bill

System2

Re: D.I. water

What is the value of having a water storage like that in the image.

BB.

Re: D.I. water

CalPrince,

What water storage image?

By the way, commercial links are not allowed in signature lines.

-Bill