I really can't decide...Morningstar or Outback?

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  • VicVic Solar Expert Posts: 2,987 ✭✭✭✭
    Re: I really can't decide...Morningstar or Outback?

    Skyko,

    Here is some additional background on the Pacific NW Electronic/Solar manufacturers:

    http://www.midnitesolar.com/pages/frontPage/nwHistory/history.php

    This is similar to the piece linked previously, but believe it is a bit different, and has a pic of boB ... FWIW, Vic
    Off Grid - Two systems -- 4 SW+ 5548 Inverters, Surrette 4KS25 1280 AH [email protected], 11.1 KW STC PV, 4X MidNite Classic 150 w/ WBjrs, Beta KID on S-530s, MX-60s, MN Bkrs/Boxes.  25 KVA Polyphase Kubota diesel,  Honda Eu6500isa,  Eu3000is-es, Eu2000,  Eu1000 gensets.  Thanks Wind-Sun for this great Forum.
  • waynefromnscanadawaynefromnscanada Solar Expert Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭✭
    Re: I really can't decide...Morningstar or Outback?
    Vic wrote: »
    Skyko,

    Here is some additional background on the Pacific NW Electronic/Solar manufacturers:

    http://www.midnitesolar.com/pages/frontPage/nwHistory/history.php

    This is similar to the piece linked previously, but believe it is a bit different, and has a pic of boB ... FWIW, Vic

    Amazing history. Thanks for sharing. Glad I went with Midnight in more ways than one now.
  • ILFEILFE Solar Expert Posts: 364 ✭✭
    Re: I really can't decide...Morningstar or Outback?
    Vic wrote: »
    Skyko,

    Here is some additional background on the Pacific NW Electronic/Solar manufacturers:

    http://www.midnitesolar.com/pages/frontPage/nwHistory/history.php

    This is similar to the piece linked previously, but believe it is a bit different, and has a pic of boB ... FWIW, Vic

    Yes, thanks for the history lesson. Below tells me who I will be dealing with, concerning controllers in the future:
    Update 2010: We got OutBack back on the right track with new management and then sold it to Alpha Technologies. They have elected to move a lot of the manufacturing to India so MidNite has been hiring laid off OutBack employees.

    I will never deal with Morningstar again, due to their less-than-professional customer service when you ring them, especially when I was calling them on my dime, internationally, after purchasing not one, but two of their products.
    Paul
  • PhilSPhilS Solar Expert Posts: 370 ✭✭✭
    Re: I really can't decide...Morningstar or Outback?

    I currently am using 2 Outback MX60's, 2 Outback FM60's, a Xantrex C-60 and in our RV, a C-30.

    As previous posts have said, the Outback controller fans are NOISY. "jet plane" is accurate. I WOULD NOT put one of these in an RV for that reason alone.

    Years ago I installed an auxiliary fan for the RV fridge that was powered by a small solar panel. The fan was behind the fridge. I eventually took it out because of the noise. There wasn't as much sound as the Outbacks produce, but when everything around you in the forest is silent (except for that famous falling tree) you will hear the Outback fans. The fridge fan was quieter but annoying because the noise/speed would change as clouds passed overhead.

    It's the little noises that can irritate when you are in that RV away from the madding crowds.

    Phil
  • SkykoSkyko Solar Expert Posts: 121 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Re: I really can't decide...Morningstar or Outback?

    After some thought I may end up going with a Morningstar MX60.

    Reason 1: It is smaller with no fan...perhaps a bit more sealed from dust, etc.

    Reason 2: It self consumes about 3 watts vs about 14 watts for the Midnite classic. On moderately bad days I may only get 100 watts an hour from my 1080 watts of panels and 14% of that lost to the controller itself seems excessive.

    Reason 3: It is about $100 cheaper if you don't care about the lcd panel but still want the Ethernet (I think the Midnite Lite does not have Ethernet)

    My system will be four 270 watt panels wired 2s2p for 64V 17 amps into the controller, powering a 24V battery bank. Even a Midnite kid would likely work but I still sort of want the Ethernet capability.
  • westbranchwestbranch Solar Expert Posts: 5,182 ✭✭✭✭
    Re: I really can't decide...Morningstar or Outback?

    Skyko, the MX60 is an Outback product...
     
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  • CariboocootCariboocoot Banned Posts: 17,615 ✭✭
    Re: I really can't decide...Morningstar or Outback?
    westbranch wrote: »
    Skyko, the MX60 is an Outback product...

    And one that is no longer made.
  • SkykoSkyko Solar Expert Posts: 121 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Re: I really can't decide...Morningstar or Outback?
    westbranch wrote: »
    Skyko, the MX60 is an Outback product...

    Sorry I meant whatever the Morningstar 60 MMPT was called.
  • VicVic Solar Expert Posts: 2,987 ✭✭✭✭
    Re: I really can't decide...Morningstar or Outback?

    And, Skyko, The MidNite Classic Lite DOES have Ethernet, it has and LED light panel (lacks the LCD screen), and Arc-Fault detector, but, otherwise, is the full Classic (IIRC).

    The Classic line of CCs are rated at 96 Amps out on 12 v and 84 A on 48 V, FWIW. Good Luck, Vic
    Off Grid - Two systems -- 4 SW+ 5548 Inverters, Surrette 4KS25 1280 AH [email protected], 11.1 KW STC PV, 4X MidNite Classic 150 w/ WBjrs, Beta KID on S-530s, MX-60s, MN Bkrs/Boxes.  25 KVA Polyphase Kubota diesel,  Honda Eu6500isa,  Eu3000is-es, Eu2000,  Eu1000 gensets.  Thanks Wind-Sun for this great Forum.
  • waynefromnscanadawaynefromnscanada Solar Expert Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭✭
    Re: I really can't decide...Morningstar or Outback?
    Skyko wrote: »
    Sorry I meant whatever the Morningstar 60 MMPT was called.

    It's the Morningstar TS-MPPT-60
  • zonebluezoneblue Solar Expert Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭✭
    Re: I really can't decide...Morningstar or Outback?
    After some thought I may end up going with a Morningstar MX60.

    Reason 1: It is smaller with no fan...perhaps a bit more sealed from dust, etc.

    Try the Kid... about right for your load as i recall.
    Reason 2: It self consumes about 3 watts vs about 14 watts for the Midnite classic.

    Where did you get that figure? I highest ive ever heard is 5 or 6W for the full classic. The lite is 3W. The Kid is 0.5W.
    On moderately bad days I may only get 100 watts an hour from my 1080 watts of panels and 14% of that lost to the controller itself seems excessive.

    100Wh? I dont know where you are but those days are real rare here. I count a total of 9 days below 1000Wh/d for 1.8kWp PV.
    Reason 3: It is about $100 cheaper if you don't care about the lcd panel but still want the Ethernet (I think the Midnite Lite does not have Ethernet)

    Kid even cheaper again.
    My system will be four 270 watt panels wired 2s2p for 64V 17 amps into the controller, powering a 24V battery bank. Even a Midnite kid would likely work but I still sort of want the Ethernet capability.

    Kid will have serial, which you could convert to ethernet using various converter boards. Lite has ethernet though.
    1.8kWp CSUN, 10kWh AGM, Midnite Classic 150, Outback VFX3024E,
    http://zoneblue.org/cms/page.php?view=off-grid-solar


  • ILFEILFE Solar Expert Posts: 364 ✭✭
    Re: I really can't decide...Morningstar or Outback?
    zoneblue wrote: »
    Kid even cheaper again.

    http://www.solar-electric.com/midnite-solar-kid-controller-accessories.html
    Paul
  • vtmapsvtmaps Solar Expert Posts: 3,738 ✭✭✭✭
    Re: I really can't decide...Morningstar or Outback?
    Vic wrote: »
    And, Skyko, The MidNite Classic Lite DOES have Ethernet, it has an LED light panel (lacks the LCD screen), and Arc-Fault detector, but, otherwise, is the full Classic (IIRC).

    IIRC, the classic lite does NOT have arc fault detection. --vtMaps
    4 X 235watt Samsung, Midnite ePanel, Outback VFX3524 FM60 & mate, 4 Interstate L16, trimetric, Honda eu2000i
  • VicVic Solar Expert Posts: 2,987 ✭✭✭✭
    Re: I really can't decide...Morningstar or Outback?

    vt,

    YES that sentence was poorly edited ... by me, was trying to say the Lite lacks the LCD screen and Arc Fault, but otherwise was a full Classic.

    Thanks, Vic
    Off Grid - Two systems -- 4 SW+ 5548 Inverters, Surrette 4KS25 1280 AH [email protected], 11.1 KW STC PV, 4X MidNite Classic 150 w/ WBjrs, Beta KID on S-530s, MX-60s, MN Bkrs/Boxes.  25 KVA Polyphase Kubota diesel,  Honda Eu6500isa,  Eu3000is-es, Eu2000,  Eu1000 gensets.  Thanks Wind-Sun for this great Forum.
  • mryimmersmryimmers Solar Expert Posts: 114 ✭✭✭
    Re: I really can't decide...Morningstar or Outback?

    Have you looked at the Rogue MPT 3048?
    It will do 1000 watts at 24 volts, comes with everything you need, is completely silent, (no fan) and you can get it right now.
    It also has very low power consumption (normal operating is listed at 890mW). Manual is available online.
    What size battery bank are you charging? Sorry if I missed it, but I didn't see it.
    I have had one for a few months and I am very happy with it.
    510 watt pv, TS-MPPT 60, Exeltech XP1100, XP600 & XP250 @ 24V, 4x Trojan 105RE, Trimetric 2030, Yamaha EF2400i gen.
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