Charging a Sealed Lead Acid Battery

diego96diego96 Posts: 19Registered Users
Hi all,
I'm trying to calculate the time to recharge a sealed lead acid battery to 100%. For example if I have a battery at 100%, and I discharge 10A for 1 hour, will it take exactly 1 hour to recharge the battery if my charger supplies 10A of charging current? Or will it take 1.1 hours, 1.2 hours, etc. Is there a term for that? ("charging efficiency?") I've looked on battery datasheets and I can't seem to find anything to answer my question.
Thanks for any help.

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  • PhotowhitPhotowhit Posts: 3,345Solar Expert ✭✭✭✭
    Re: Charging a Sealed Lead Acid Battery

    Pretty much, and my experience is from Flooded batteries, there is no correct answer. As batteries approach full capacity they can accept less current. You do get close to 1:1 - 1:1.1 correspondence in the 50%-85% with the charging voltage appropriate.
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  • NorthGuyNorthGuy Posts: 1,925Solar Expert
    Re: Charging a Sealed Lead Acid Battery
    diego96 wrote: »
    I'm trying to calculate the time to recharge a sealed lead acid battery to 100%. For example if I have a battery at 100%, and I discharge 10A for 1 hour, will it take exactly 1 hour to recharge the battery if my charger supplies 10A of charging current? Or will it take 1.1 hours, 1.2 hours, etc. Is there a term for that? ("charging efficiency?") I've looked on battery datasheets and I can't seem to find anything to answer my question.

    It is up to you how much you put back. With flooded batteries, the more you put back, the more bubbling you get. So, by varying the amps you can vary the amound of energy that goes to bubbling and efficiency changes accordingly. The correct amount of bubbling is important to flooded batteries. Sealed batteries do not need bubbling, so you should get something close to 1 or slightly higher.

    The energy efficiency is worse than amp-hour efficiency because you charge at higher voltages and discharge at lower voltages.
  • westbranchwestbranch Posts: 4,221Solar Expert ✭✭✭✭
    Re: Charging a Sealed Lead Acid Battery

    What does the maker recommend for charge parameters? Since they are sealed you should not EQ for one thing and, secondly the charge rate should be lower than FLA to avoid too much gassing... the H and O2 have to recombine into H2O.
     
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  • diego96diego96 Posts: 19Registered Users
    Re: Charging a Sealed Lead Acid Battery
    westbranch wrote: »
    What does the maker recommend for charge parameters?

    Powersonic sealed lead acid battery. Constant current (max 22A) up to 14.4V, hold at constant voltage 14.4V until current drops below 750mA. Battery is 100% at this point.
  • Coach DadCoach Dad Posts: 134Solar Expert ✭✭✭✭✭
    Re: Charging a Sealed Lead Acid Battery

    I don’t know if this is a universal formula but this is what the manual for Sun Xtender batteries says. The Sun Xtenders are AGM batteries. I believe that AGM batteries are considered to be “sealed lead acid”.

    Time to Reach Full Charge = [(DOD/100) X Rated Capacity (Ah) / Rated Output of Charger (Amp)] + 2 hours
    For example, charging a 100ah battery at 50% DOD using a 25A charger would take:
    Time to Reach Full Charge = [(50/100) X 100Ah/25A] +2 hours = 4 hours
    Note that this formula is approximate and the full charge state should be verified using the criteria: current drops below 0.5% of the rated capacity (0.5A for a 100Ah battery).
  • BB.BB. Posts: 25,152Super Moderators admin
    Re: Charging a Sealed Lead Acid Battery

    That is what I use... But I would suggest that the time would be 2-4 hour range... The deep cycled the battery, the longer the "tail" of the charging cycle.

    Also, Concorde batteries are AGM sealed lead acid--But they claim to be "different" from other AGM batteries and are able to accept higher charging voltages (and currents) that other brands may not.

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  • diego96diego96 Posts: 19Registered Users
    Re: Charging a Sealed Lead Acid Battery

    Another charger question.
    This is what my battery datasheet says: "Limit initial charging current to 22A."
    I'm looking at using a Xantrex TRUECharge2 40A charger. The reason for getting a 40A charger is because I want to sometimes power a load in addition to charging batteries.
    However if there is no load, will the charger try to force 40A into the battery? I assume that would damage the battery since the datasheet says limit to 22A...
  • mike95490mike95490 Posts: 6,446Solar Expert ✭✭✭✭
    Re: Charging a Sealed Lead Acid Battery
    diego96 wrote: »
    Another charger question.
    This is what my battery datasheet says: "Limit initial charging current to 22A."
    I'm looking at using a Xantrex TRUECharge2 40A charger. The reason for getting a 40A charger is because I want to sometimes power a load in addition to charging batteries.
    However if there is no load, will the charger try to force 40A into the battery? I assume that would damage the battery since the datasheet says limit to 22A...
    Yep. Maybe. If the battery was totally dead, it could pull the full 40A. But since you will have some charge in it, it will draw less, and as it approaches full, even less. That's why it takes such a long time to complete the last 20% of charge.
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  • westbranchwestbranch Posts: 4,221Solar Expert ✭✭✭✭
    Re: Charging a Sealed Lead Acid Battery

    As mike said, if the battery is deeply discharged the TC40 will attempt to put 40 amps into the battery. The acceptance rate is dependent on the battery SoC... If yours (TC40) is the same as mine, the display will show the Amps being delivered...
     
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  • diego96diego96 Posts: 19Registered Users
    Re: Charging a Sealed Lead Acid Battery

    I am considering 13.5V to be 100% charged and 10.5V to be 0% charged. The battery will never be lower than 10.5V. (Actually it is a 24V system with two 12V batteries in series.) So given that the battery will be 10.5 minimum, I hope the "intelligent battery charger" will not over-current the battery.
  • CariboocootCariboocoot Posts: 17,615Banned ✭✭
    Re: Charging a Sealed Lead Acid Battery

    Repeated discharge to 10.5 Volts (21) will seriously shorten battery life. Charging to only 13.8 likewise. Please read the battery FAQ's: http://www.solar-electric.com/deep-cycle-battery-faq.html
  • nielniel Posts: 10,311Solar Expert ✭✭✭✭
    Re: Charging a Sealed Lead Acid Battery

    coachdad nailed it with the formula, but bill is right that the absorb time can get extended with deeper cycling, especially with some other agm brands as their charge efficiency may not be as good as the sunxtender for lower efficiencies equal longer charge times for the same amps in.

    as to the charger it may be necessary to be sure to place the additional load on it to keep the charger from pumping too many amps into the battery. this could result in overheating and warped plates to name a few so do not exceed the max charge rate to preserve your battery.
  • PNjunctionPNjunction Posts: 680Solar Expert ✭✭✭
    Re: Charging a Sealed Lead Acid Battery
    diego96 wrote: »
    Powersonic sealed lead acid battery.

    Check out their tech-manual which provides additional information (and a lot of it!) beyond the battery spec sheet. Even with that, it is easy to miss as it is the last paragraph of the document.

    http://www.power-sonic.com/technical.php

    Powersonic states that generally, you divide the rated battery capacity by the charge amperage and multiply by 1.75 to get hours. If you know the amount you have discharged, you can also base it on that instead of rated capacity.
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