Charging without a Charge controller

westbranchwestbranch Posts: 4,221Solar Expert ✭✭✭✭
I have a need to connect, short term, a PV or 2 to my camper battery. We are demolishing our old cabin and using the camper for sleeping in, a bit of cooking and showers etc... both my CC's are still in use and I don't want to buy another one for this temporary setup.

Is there a rule of thumb to use for this hookup?

~ 660 amp battery, 25 W and 70 watt panels available. not direct sun as in the shade.

thanks
Eric
 
 KID #51B  4s 140W to 24V 900Ah C&D AGM
CL29032 FW 2079/ 2073/ 2054 175A E-Panel WBjr, 3 x 4s 140W to 24V 900Ah C&D AGM 
Cotek ST1500W 24V Inverter,Omnicharge 3024,
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  • mike95490mike95490 Posts: 6,443Solar Expert ✭✭✭✭
    Re: Charging without a Charge controller

    panels in the shade will never charge a battery:cry: You have more chance, without a charge controller, of the panels discharging the batteries at night (backfeed)



    660A of battery, 100W of panel, even in full sun, you won't keep up with self discharge.
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  • CariboocootCariboocoot Posts: 17,615Banned ✭✭
    Re: Charging without a Charge controller

    Eric;

    The only thing you can do is put a Voltmeter on it and watch. Together those two panels might produce 5 Amps? Not much for a 660 Amp hour battery (assuming the extra 'm' was superfluous), but even a small charge on a not-so-drained battery can push the Voltage too high. That's really all a PWM does; you'll have to stand in for connect/disconnect. But you don't have to do it dozens of times per second, okay? :p
  • SevenSeven Posts: 292Solar Expert ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Re: Charging without a Charge controller

    I have to ask a simple question. Is that battery a 660 amp hour battery or 660 cranking amps? At 660 Ah, that is a massive battery for a camper. Is it is 660cca, running a panel directly to it should keep it charged depending on the amp produced by the panel. I have a couple 100w panels hooked directly to a couple of marine batteries and the most I have ever seen them produce was 17a, and it was short duration.

    ***edit***
    Be sure to run a diode if the panels stay hooked up an night.
  • westbranchwestbranch Posts: 4,221Solar Expert ✭✭✭✭
    Re: Charging without a Charge controller

    sorry, that is 660CCA as Leper pointed out. Probably in the ~100 A range of most car type batteries.

    Ya, caught in the PV panel trap of hi Voltage/low amperage output.

    It is a 'marine battery' used for the camper and the fishing trolling motor.

    Just ordered a cheapo 10a PWM CC off Ebay. Now I can put the panels in the full sun without too much worry.

    thanks for the quick comments.

    Eric
     
     KID #51B  4s 140W to 24V 900Ah C&D AGM
    CL29032 FW 2079/ 2073/ 2054 175A E-Panel WBjr, 3 x 4s 140W to 24V 900Ah C&D AGM 
    Cotek ST1500W 24V Inverter,Omnicharge 3024,
    Linksys Wet54g WiFi Bridge, ASUS RTN10 router, Hughes1100 Sat Modem
    Eu3000i & 1000i Gens, 1680W & E-Panel/WBjr to come, CL 647 asleep
    West Chilcotin, BC, Canada





  • mike95490mike95490 Posts: 6,443Solar Expert ✭✭✭✭
    Re: Charging without a Charge controller

    Since that battery is a "hybrid" and contains the worst of both starting and deep cycle, avoid discharging below 70%, or you may not get started some morning !
    Powerfab top of pole PV mount | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
    || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
    || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

    solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
    gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister ,

  • westbranchwestbranch Posts: 4,221Solar Expert ✭✭✭✭
    Re: Charging without a Charge controller

    Mike I think you are confusing a camper with a "Winnebagel". ;):roll:;)

    The camper slides on and off the pickup and has its own on board, independent battery, hence the 'marine type' as it is a bit better for long slow use... the main drawback is there isn't enough room for a couple of real deep cycle 6 volt batteries.
    We only get about 2 days before needing to charge up. Water pump gets left on all day, Fridge and water heater are pilot-less units, the furnace fan is the big one and then lights and radio... oh and there is a magic fan that is temperature activated and the seldom used bathroom fan
     
     KID #51B  4s 140W to 24V 900Ah C&D AGM
    CL29032 FW 2079/ 2073/ 2054 175A E-Panel WBjr, 3 x 4s 140W to 24V 900Ah C&D AGM 
    Cotek ST1500W 24V Inverter,Omnicharge 3024,
    Linksys Wet54g WiFi Bridge, ASUS RTN10 router, Hughes1100 Sat Modem
    Eu3000i & 1000i Gens, 1680W & E-Panel/WBjr to come, CL 647 asleep
    West Chilcotin, BC, Canada





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