Newbie needs help with Solar Panel System Setup!
I am completely new and learning power electronics right now and wanting to setup a solar panel system.
I will be using one solar panel (a 12V, 200W solar panel), one 20A solar charge controller, and one battery (12V, 100amphr).
All links are below.
I have found a fuse for between the solar panel and controller (again, linked below). However, I am having trouble finding an appropriate fuse for between the solar charge controller and the battery. I keep reading a mixture of using a 20A fuse or a 25A fuse with the 20A controller. I am very confused. I found a manual for the controller and it does say 25A; however, the product webpage says to use a 20A controller.
I would appreciate any insight! Thank you!
1. https://www.renogy.com/200-watt-12-volt-monocrystalline-solar-panel/
2. https://www.renogy.com/rover-li-20-amp-mppt-solar-charge-controller/
3. https://www.renogy.com/deep-cycle-agm-battery-12-volt-100ah/
4. 15A Fuse for between panel and controller: https://www.renogy.com/solar-connector-waterproof-in-line-fuse-holder-w-fuse/?srsltid=AR57-fDarZd1uHMw6wPE--KL6AvE9tc9CvJns0C_kG3Q1RSeUS3v4HVIspo
The ultimate goal is to connect a microcontroller to the battery to install sensors.
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Fusing (and circuit breakers) are really there to protect your wiring from overheating/catching fire if there is a short circuit. If you use USA NEC (national electric code), then 14 AWG = 15 fuse; 12 AWG = 20 amp vuse; and 10 AWG = 30 amp fuse.
https://lugsdirect.com/WireCurrentAmpacitiesNEC-Table-301-16.htm
With a single solar panel, there is not really any need for a fuse between it and the charge controller... Your specs:SPECIFICATIONSMax Power at STC: 200W
Open Circuit Voltage: 23V
Short Circuit Current: 11.05A
Optimum Operating Voltage: 19.2 V
Optimum Operating Current: 10.42 A
Operating Temperature: -40°F~194°F / -40℃~90℃
Maximum System Voltage: 600 VDC UL
Maximum Series Fuse Rating: 20A
Output Cable: 13 AWG (2.6 ft long)
Your specs say 20 Amp fuse maximum... And the short circuit max current is 11.05 amps--So a 15 amp minimum fuse (if you want to use one) is fine (15-20 amps). You want your fuse or breaker to be at lease 1.25x the max continuous current you want to draw--To prevent popping a fuse or breaker on clear sunny days (in USA, fuses and breakers are generally designed to not pop at 80% or less current, and will pop >100% of rated current--could take minutes or hours or longer).
Your MPPT controller is designed to not output any more than 20 amps... So 1.25 NEC factor * 20 amps = 25 amp fuse/breaker recommended (assuming at least 12 AWG thick cable).
You want the to mount the charge controller in a cool area with good air circulation (heat is the enemy of electronics). Also, you don't want very much voltage drop between the controller and the battery bank--So mount near battery bank with short cables. Note if lead acid battery bank, keep battery fumes and gasses vented away from charge controller (fumes can have electrolyte/acid and will corrode metal; and hydrogen+oxygen gasses can create an explosion hazard when charging).
As always, check the manual for their installation instructions.
You don't say what your loads are--But remember that the battery is usually the source of high current (100's of amperes into a short circuit with even one full size battery) into a short circuit. Pick your wiring to carry the needed/rated current. and use fuse(s)/breker(s) on any positive wiring leaving the battery to your loads. Ideally, fuses and breakers should be mounted close to the battery (less wire that can get cut/shorted if kept short and protected from sharp metal edges).
Many times circuit breakers are a nice solution... They not only protect against shorts, they can be reset (no spare fuses needed), and are handy for on/off switches (working on devices, turning off loads when system is not used, etc.).
-Bill
Near San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset -
BB. said:Fusing (and circuit breakers) are really there to protect your wiring from overheating/catching fire if there is a short circuit. If you use USA NEC (national electric code), then 14 AWG = 15 fuse; 12 AWG = 20 amp vuse; and 10 AWG = 30 amp fuse.
https://lugsdirect.com/WireCurrentAmpacitiesNEC-Table-301-16.htm
With a single solar panel, there is not really any need for a fuse between it and the charge controller... Your specs:SPECIFICATIONSMax Power at STC: 200W
Open Circuit Voltage: 23V
Short Circuit Current: 11.05A
Optimum Operating Voltage: 19.2 V
Optimum Operating Current: 10.42 A
Operating Temperature: -40°F~194°F / -40℃~90℃
Maximum System Voltage: 600 VDC UL
Maximum Series Fuse Rating: 20A
Output Cable: 13 AWG (2.6 ft long)
Your specs say 20 Amp fuse maximum... And the short circuit max current is 11.05 amps--So a 15 amp minimum fuse (if you want to use one) is fine (15-20 amps). You want your fuse or breaker to be at lease 1.25x the max continuous current you want to draw--To prevent popping a fuse or breaker on clear sunny days (in USA, fuses and breakers are generally designed to not pop at 80% or less current, and will pop >100% of rated current--could take minutes or hours or longer).
Your MPPT controller is designed to not output any more than 20 amps... So 1.25 NEC factor * 20 amps = 25 amp fuse/breaker recommended (assuming at least 12 AWG thick cable).
You want the to mount the charge controller in a cool area with good air circulation (heat is the enemy of electronics). Also, you don't want very much voltage drop between the controller and the battery bank--So mount near battery bank with short cables. Note if lead acid battery bank, keep battery fumes and gasses vented away from charge controller (fumes can have electrolyte/acid and will corrode metal; and hydrogen+oxygen gasses can create an explosion hazard when charging).
As always, check the manual for their installation instructions.
You don't say what your loads are--But remember that the battery is usually the source of high current (100's of amperes into a short circuit with even one full size battery) into a short circuit. Pick your wiring to carry the needed/rated current. and use fuse(s)/breker(s) on any positive wiring leaving the battery to your loads. Ideally, fuses and breakers should be mounted close to the battery (less wire that can get cut/shorted if kept short and protected from sharp metal edges).
Many times circuit breakers are a nice solution... They not only protect against shorts, they can be reset (no spare fuses needed), and are handy for on/off switches (working on devices, turning off loads when system is not used, etc.).
-Bill
For the battery, the load is really small at around 78.51 milliamps total current consumption of the sensors that will be used along with a 5V Arduino. I am planning on connecting a dc-dc converter (12v to 5v converter) in between the battery and the load.
battery -> fuse/circuit breaker -> dc-dc converter -> Arduino
I am leaning towards circuit breakers because, as you mentioned, should be mounted close to the battery and will help to turn off the power to the Arduino when desired. -
You are very welcome Chim,
We are kind of jumping into the middle of the project... Backing up a moment, we need to define the loads, where the system will be used (hours of sun per day, location, seasonal usage, etc.). Just to show how the math works.- 0.08 amps of current * 24 hours per day (guess) = 1.92 Amp*Hours per day
- 1.92 AH per day * 12 volt battery bus = 23 WH per day power usage (losses from converters, etc.?)
- 100 AH * 0.50 max planned discharge * 12 volts = 600 WH of "planned capacity" of battery
- 600 WH battery capacity / 23 WH per day = 26 days of storage (no solar charging). Helpful if winter shading? (solar panels need full sun to generate "useful amounts of energy"
Generally, plan on 5% rate of charge for battery bank (minimum). or 10%-13%+ rate of charge for larger daily loads. Call 5% minimum (for minimum health of battery):- 100 AH * 12 volts * 0.05 rate of charge * 1/0.77 typical panel+controller deratings = 80 Watt of solar panel minimum suggested
- 200 Watt panel * 0.61 DC off grid solar system eff * 3 hours of sun per day = 366 Watts per day (typical "not bad solar" location in winter)
- 200 Watt panel * 0.61 DC off grid solar system eff * 1 hour of sun per day = 122 Watts per day (typical "poor solar" location in winter)
Anyway, hardly guesses vs just examples of the (relatively simple) math you can do to model/plan your system requirements before spending the money.
-BillNear San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset
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