Xantrex / Schneider GT Sizing Tool Found

Downloaded and installed Win 8.1, had Ver 1.0 and it asked to remove that, install went smooth. New install found all of my previous saved setups. It now has selection for MPPT chargers besides expanded list of there GT inverters. Large selection of panels.
The chart with the green and red selection chart is there it's just a little farther in. Gives nice print out of system after its planned.
Nice to have capabilities for the Chargers back again. That sizing tool has been missing for some time.

new2PV wrote: »

Downloaded version 2 and no issues, except getting a warning that I have too many panels on one mppt 60-150, I would like to put 18 panels on it @260 watts. Bad idea?

new2,

Do not know your exact situation, but, 18ea 260 STC watt PVs are 4680 W nominal. At customary de-rating, this could represent about 3600 W nominal output.

At 48 V battery voltage, this represents about 75 A output from a CC that that had that capability, about 68 A at Vbatt of 53 V, and about 62 A at a reasonable Vabs for Flooded batteries (at least those that are vented).

Not horribly over-PVed, but do not know Schneider's stance on over-PVing their CCs. That 60 A SCC is an OLD design ... But, agree, that it is often best to use integrated components of a power system that are from the same vendor.

All FWIW. Good Luck, Vic

new2PV wrote: »

AS far as I read from the manual, the CC will only put out 3500 w even with an input of 6700 Watts, so total output is limited to 3500 watts. Will this harm the controller or put it into melt down I don;t know. Maybe I should use 2 charge controllers, less worry about over driving this china based CC. Attachment not found.

You are planning on running this CC very close to its maximum rating. It is convection-cooled, so the temperature of the air surrounding the CC, along with Vin and Vout, will ultimately dictate just how much output current/power it chooses to produce from the available PV input.

You appear to be under the Max speced total Isc available from the PVs, for the several 260 W PVs that just looked at. You know best about the environmental conditions at the target site for this installation. And the temp coefficient of Isc is not large, but, when you identify the PV modules that you will actually use, you will probably want to look at Isc totals for the PV strings, and the Max total string Isc at your max temps ... this becomes a bit difficult to do in an absolute manner, but probably will want to look at this with some reasonable estimate of cell temps with assumed irradiance.

Do not know if the Scc monitors Max input current (there is probably no input current sensor, or at least not a very accurate one), but who knows. And if the historic maxinput current is stored in the Warranty Void Data area of the SCC's memory ...

Looks like you plan to run six strings of three PVs, so, at least this is divisible by two, if you choose to go with two CCs, in the beginning, or later, after some testing.

We cannot know how your system will evolve over time, and upgrades that you might make to batteries, PVs, etc. But, seems that with your existing 420 A Flooded batteries, the typical Max charge rate of about 13% of 20-hour Capacity is less than the absolute Max of the CC's capability, FWIW.

This SCC has a relatively low output current. One wonders if Schneider will be modernizing the SCC, and if so, what might its output current be.
One might try a single SCC to start with, while leaving the ability to easily add a second one, or perhaps sub in a more capable CC, later, if one should appear.

And so on ... It is often a good idea to NOT run power production hardware at full output for extended time periods, and charging batteries can be an extended time period of time. It is difficult to advise what one should do, especially in these large grey areas of how hard to push CCs, future upgrade paths, etc. But only you have the ability to make that decision, as you know.

Good Luck, Vic

Thanks for the info, but I have decided to go smaller 12 volt panels, but now the grid sizing tool states the voltage is too low at certain conditions. I only have room for 4 12 volt panels landscape mode. The panels are 160 or 165 watts 18 volts mpp, 9 amps....so many choices to make.. 6 strings at 9 amps =54 amps, but if you look carefully at the specs it says up to 60 amps MAX...48A is recommended. I can size the cables for 80 amps thats not a problem. Also that breaker is a 100% rated breaker at 60 amps, am I playing with danger?

BB. wrote: »

What brand & model of charge controller?

What type, voltage&ah rated battery bank?

-Bill

All that info is in my signature. Schneider mppt 60-150...48 volt system, 420AH.

Dave Angelini wrote: »

The 60 amp breaker on the solar protects the wiring. As we have said the mppt-60 current limits the input and output. This is in the manual. All those strings you have... much better with the hi voltage -80-600V. You do get that the output will be limited at 3,500 watts no matter how much solar you have on the input?

Yes I understand 3500 watts, which is fine for now. I think if the array is about 4000 watts in size on less than optimal conditions it would help keep the output up as mentioned in previous posts. I will size the wires a bit bigger to the CC. #4 AWG

sub3marathonman wrote: »

From long ago Xantrex had a great tool for calculating how many panels and strings could be used with the solar charge controller. Then it disappeared, apparently never to return.

But I have found the new and improved version called the Conext Designer Sizing Tool. I downloaded it from: http://solar.schneider-electric.com/product/conext-designer/ At first I thought people were supposed to buy it, because it has a "Where to Buy" link, but it is free.The strange thing is, you have to go down the page and it is then listed as "firmware" to click on, then you can choose for Windows or Mac. It has a large database of solar panels, and you can put in the specs for a panel if it isn't listed, so that is pretty good.

It then tells you based on your string/panel choices if you're doing excellent, good, or if there is a warning. It won't let you pick an unacceptable combination though, so apparently even with a warning it is still worth calculating if it will really work or finding out the times when your choices won't work.

I actually liked the old version better though, as it listed the string/panel numbers in a little chart, with green being good and red being questionable. It is tougher to figure out now, as you've got to enter each possible choice instead of seeing it in a chart.

I thought this might help some people, as for some reason Schneider has made it very difficult to find, and has also left the link to the old tool with a non-working website, which almost made me give up.

Thanks for the link to the tool. It has been quite helpful. One thing I noticed, and maybe it was just me, is that it doesn't seem to calculate the wire lengths correctly? For example I put in cable length of 2 metres from the MPPT charger to the battery and the tool shows it is calculating for 22metres. Seems strange, and it gives me a large power loss due to wire size because of this. Anyone else seeing this?