Directional DC breakers in combiner

unyalli
unyalli Solar Expert Posts: 121 ✭✭
My panels have a short circuit current (Isc) of 7.89 amps with a maximum series fuse rating is 12 amps. If I parallel three of these panels in an MNPV3 combiner box with 10 amp breakers and one of the panels shorts it will pull over 15 amps from the other two panels in a reverse direction through the MNEPV DC breaker. I've read over and over to make sure I wire the MNEPV DC breakers with the current flowing through from positive to negative. ???

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Additionally shouldn't there be a fourth DC breaker in the combined output? That wire will be 15 foot or so to my controller.

-Jeff

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  • BB.
    BB. Super Moderators, Administrators Posts: 33,660 admin
    Re: Directional DC breakers in combiner

    The "combined DC plus bus" is the source of the high current (not really that high for solar panels vs battery bank). The current direction "reverses" if one of the panel strings is shorted out... So as drawn, the configuration is correct (assuming LOAD is at the bottom of the breakers in this drawing).

    Regarding your main array cable back to the charge controller--You do not need another breaker. The wiring should be rated to carry the total array current. (3x12amp=) 36 amp minimum rated cable.

    For most installation, folks use larger cable to keep voltage drop down... So there is no chance the solar array will exceed the current capacity of the cable--There is no requirement an additional main breaker unless you want to install an "array off switch" next to your charge controller (for example, the combiner box is a fair walk away/top of roof/other difficult spot to reach).

    Of course, there are breakers for every positive cable leaving the battery bank sized to the loads/cable awg size.

    -Bill
    Near San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset
  • unyalli
    unyalli Solar Expert Posts: 121 ✭✭
    Re: Directional DC breakers in combiner

    The load would be the charge controller correct? The MNEPV din rail breakers are positive at the bottom where the panels connect negative at the top where the bus bar is. A shorted panel will pull current in reverse from the other panels through the breaker.
  • BB.
    BB. Super Moderators, Administrators Posts: 33,660 admin
    Re: Directional DC breakers in combiner
    unyalli wrote: »
    The load would be the charge controller correct?

    Think of a shorted solar panel or shorted charge controller as the "loads" (i.e., current flow is reversed--Source of high current is the PV bus bar or Battery Bank).
    The MNEPV din rail breakers are positive at the bottom where the panels connect negative at the top where the bus bar is.

    If I understand correctly, that would be "backwards" for a common installation that assumes battery/pv bus is the common "top" of the breaker. Not sure what is going on (unless these were designed for telecom system that have -48 volt power systems).
    A shorted panel will pull current in reverse from the other panels through the breaker.

    Yep--Under an "normal" conditions, it is not possible for a solar panel to exceed Isc "generated output" current (unless there are reflections from snow/mirrors/windows amplifying the solar irradiation).

    -Bill
    Near San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset
  • vtmaps
    vtmaps Solar Expert Posts: 3,741 ✭✭✭✭
    Re: Directional DC breakers in combiner
    unyalli wrote: »
    The load would be the charge controller correct? The MNEPV din rail breakers are positive at the bottom where the panels connect negative at the top where the bus bar is. A shorted panel will pull current in reverse from the other panels through the breaker.

    You are correct... the polarity of the breakers would suggest that they are to be used as string switches, rather than over current protection devices. This has been discussed on this forum and on the Midnite forum. The Midnite folks say to follow the directions and install them as switches.

    The potential current that they may need to interrupt in your combiner is miniscule compared to their rating. These breakers could interrupt battery fault currents if their polarity is observed. Apparently they can interrupt smaller currents when their polarity is backwards.

    --vtMaps
    4 X 235watt Samsung, Midnite ePanel, Outback VFX3524 FM60 & mate, 4 Interstate L16, trimetric, Honda eu2000i