Off grid life 6 months on

zoneblue
zoneblue Solar Expert Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭✭
I thought it time to write an update, off grid life 6 months on, 1.8KW System in NZ.

Firstly i got around to documenting, as best i could, our setup here:
www.zoneblue.org/cms/page.php?view=off-grid-solar
Please correct the mistakes :)


And here's some excerpts from the log book ('rest' volts= read at dawn when fridge betw cycles. Still waiting for the midnite monitor add on):


Date, Rest Volts, Batt temp, Comment
12 Jan, 25.3V, 11 degC. First day after commissioning. No loads really yet.

15 Jan, 25.0V, 15 degC. Several grey days in a row still floats early in day. DC loads only.

6 Mar, cell balance checked shortly after going into float: most cells at 2.27-2.28. one at 2.3, one at 2.33, and one at 2.4. Couple of stronger cells there. Not sure if this is a good time to check it. Maybe the long afternoon floats will serve to keep the cells equalised.

18 April, 24.8V, 16 degC. Never floated yesterday for the first time. (v.rainy). Float by 9am today, charging at 20A! Never gets a chance to run at full capacity because it floats so early in day.

18 May, 25.0V, 12.5 degC. Never floated yesterday (third time). Cell balance checked at dawn, all in 2.06-2.07V range. Noticed that the Classic is lifting the float voltage a bit as the weather cools. In summer was 27.3, now nearer 27.8.

23 May, 25.0V 12 degC. 1100W inverter installed yesterday. Ran some power tools, and the big screen pc. Inverter draws 0.55A out of standby. Sun came out at 9am today, charging at 32A, new record. Measured PV string balance 3.7A,3.2A,3.5A, . PV 82.2V, both ends of cable, Vdrop nil, but hard to measure without 2 people and identical DMMs. Also installed 50W of led lighting last week. Now on for 4 hours each day.

26 May, 24.7V, 6 degC. After 2 stormy days and not floating, sun came out at 10.30am. Charging at 40A new record. Classic fan came on for the first time, wondered what the heck it was. String balance, 4.9A,4.5A,4.6A, PV 77.2V/76.2V= 1 volt drop, maybe.

5 Jun, 24.8V, 11 degC. Last two days were wet, no float either day. Batt often at 24.6V during the day. Sagging occasionally to 24.5V under load. Good to see rest voltage ok today in spite of it. Still using the juicer, blender, power tools, big PC and stereo. Still grey today.

6 Jun, 24.7V, 9.6 degC, didnt float yesterday again, some little charge here and there, batt up to 25.5 or so during day. So three days without floating, and the shortest day is near. Today back to float by 11.30am after charging at 20-45A for two hours. This is the first real cycle these battery's have had, to perhaps 70% SOC? Madam doing quite a bit of sewing.

17 Jun, 24.7V, 11 degC. Didn't float last 2 days, wont float today, rain rain, ark building weather. Forecast is rain for the next week, so this is crunch time. Batt barely above 25V all day. Some power conservation measures in force now, ie base loads only (2 computers, lights, fridge, pump, morning smoothy ;). I have no idea how the bank will hold up. About to find out.
1.8kWp CSUN, 10kWh AGM, Midnite Classic 150, Outback VFX3024E,
http://zoneblue.org/cms/page.php?view=off-grid-solar


Comments

  • niel
    niel Solar Expert Posts: 10,300 ✭✭✭✭
    Re: Off grid life 6 months on

    it sounds like you're doing fairly well with the system. you can expect problems near the solstice as that's when the solar angles and times are the worst for you. add rain and you now need a generator as backup for these occasions.

    do you have an idea for the string current differences? ie, bad connections, longer wiring as examples.
  • petertearai
    petertearai Solar Expert Posts: 471 ✭✭✭✭
    Re: Off grid life 6 months on

    Thanks for sharing .
    2225 wattts pv . Outback 2kw  fxr pure sine inverter . fm80 charge controller . Mate 3. victron battery monitor . 24 volts  in 2 volt Shoto lead carbon extreme batterys. off grid  holiday home 
  • BB.
    BB. Super Moderators, Administrators Posts: 33,646 admin
    Re: Off grid life 6 months on

    Very nice documentation of your project.

    One small question... Where the array wiring to buried cable exits to the building. Do you have any small animals that may wish to nest in the opening/eat insulation? Also, the exposed wiring insulation, unless sunlight/UV rated, should be shielded from sun.

    -Bill
    Near San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset
  • zoneblue
    zoneblue Solar Expert Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭✭
    Re: Off grid life 6 months on

    @neil, string balances, good question. The connections seem pretty clean. The guy i bought the 4mm pv cable off said it wasnt important that the panel connections were identical length. And the strongest string is the top one, which has the longest cables. The specs for the power output on the PV are 0-3%, the observed string difference is 8%. Might having chanced the 2 strongest panels combined, give this result? It seems to me that it would be good to try to rate each panel individually, and group them into similar pairs. Im not sure how though, id need a test rig that could simulate a near Ip load on each panel at the same time... and 6 identical DMMs. As mentioned i am planning to rewire the array so that the negative and positive leads are closer and equal length per string, so that will be the time to do some panel rotation.

    @bb, small animals. rodents, and stoats are about it. NZ is a wasteland when in comes to wildlife. Its just us and the sheep (now dairy cows). The two black things are conduit, in NZ we use a grade of polyethylene for low pressure water, called alkathene. It doesnt seem common elsewhere. Its about 75% as hard as pvc, and not as heat proof, but its easy to lay and cheap.
    While you do sometimes see rodent damage to PVC cable sheath, i doubt theyd go for alkathene.
    The only exposed cable is the 4mm2 array wiring which is proper UV rated PV cable.

    This is the other side of that wall, below the electrical board.
    Attachment not found.

    But your comment does remind me that given the arc potential on that cable, i should continue the conduit into the cabinet. Thanks!
    1.8kWp CSUN, 10kWh AGM, Midnite Classic 150, Outback VFX3024E,
    http://zoneblue.org/cms/page.php?view=off-grid-solar


  • NorthGuy
    NorthGuy Solar Expert Posts: 1,913 ✭✭
    Re: Off grid life 6 months on

    Congratulations with off-grid living!!!

    I'm surprised noone commented on lack of breaker/fuses on individual strings of panels.
  • zoneblue
    zoneblue Solar Expert Posts: 1,220 ✭✭✭✭
    Re: Off grid life 6 months on

    @neil, re: generator. A el cheapo generator here is about 1K. As for the honda eu you guys all recommend, its an eye watering $2,595 here. http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/SearchResults.aspx?searchString=EU20i
    For that i could get almost another 6 panels, couldnt i?

    @northguy, re: string fuses. Maybe im lazy for hanging on a technicality there, but series fuse rating is 20A, Ip is 8.3A, 2 x 8.3 < 20.
    1.8kWp CSUN, 10kWh AGM, Midnite Classic 150, Outback VFX3024E,
    http://zoneblue.org/cms/page.php?view=off-grid-solar


  • inetdog
    inetdog Solar Expert Posts: 3,123 ✭✭✭✭
    Re: Off grid life 6 months on
    zoneblue wrote: »
    @neil, re: generator. A el cheapo generator here is about 1K. As for the honda eu you guys all recommend, its an eye watering $2,595 here. http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/SearchResults.aspx?searchString=EU20i
    For that i could get almost another 6 panels, couldnt i?

    @northguy, re: string fuses. Maybe im lazy for hanging on a technicality there, but series fuse rating is 20A, Ip is 8.3A, 2 x 8.3 < 20.

    That means that when you use one series fuse for every two panels, one damaged panel can pull a total of 8.3 + 20 = 28.3 not even counting the short term overload beyond 20 that the fuse can pass. If you have only two strings of panels, you do not need individual fuses. With three or more strings you do unless, with panel numbers like yours, you have only three strings and 2 x 8.3 (from the other two strings) is still less than 20. You still need a fuse somewhere to handle backfeed from a defective CC.
    SMA SB 3000, old BP panels.
  • niel
    niel Solar Expert Posts: 10,300 ✭✭✭✭
    Re: Off grid life 6 months on

    may save your batteries during those times, just sayin
  • icarus
    icarus Solar Expert Posts: 5,436 ✭✭✭✭
    Re: Off grid life 6 months on
    zoneblue wrote: »
    @neil, re: generator. A el cheapo generator here is about 1K. As for the honda eu you guys all recommend, its an eye watering $2,595 here. http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/SearchResults.aspx?searchString=EU20i
    For that i could get almost another 6 panels, couldnt i?

    @northguy, re: string fuses. Maybe im lazy for hanging on a technicality there, but series fuse rating is 20A, Ip is 8.3A, 2 x 8.3 < 20.

    Tell you what,

    You buy be a return ticket from N.America to NZ and i will bring you an EU as checked luggage. Hell, I could bring a eu1000 in the carry on bin!

    you'd still come out cheaper,

    Tony