Interaction between voltage, current, and temp
SavingEnergy
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I have a question regarding the interaction between solar panel voltage, current, and temperature. My confusion
comes from examining the currentvoltage charts for a Kyocera KC85T panel.
For discussion, lets assume that the charge controller is trying to equalize at 15.5V. My assumption is that the battery system voltage (set via the charge controller) will determine the operating voltage produced by the panel.
The STC specs for a KC85T panel are as follows:
Vmp = 17.4
Imp = 5.02
Voc = 21.7
Isc = 5.34
Temp Coefficient Voc = 8.21 x 10 2 V/deg C or (.0821)V/degC
Temp Coefficient Isc = 2.12 x 10 3 A/ deg C or (.00212)A/degC
(This was a surprise for me. I had never seen a temp coefficient specified for Vmp)
Temp Coefficient Vmp = 9.32 x 10 2 V/deg C or (.0932)V/degC
Using the temp coefficient with the STC Vmp, I can calculate the voltage that will be generated at other
temperatures.
50C would be: 17.4  (.0932 * 25) = 15.07V
75C would be: 17.4  (.0932 * 50) = 12.74V
Here's the problem. Using Kyocera's currentvoltage graph from their specifications, my calculations don't appear to match. I enlarged their graph, and best I can estimate, the voltage at 50C is about 14.5. I know this is close to the 15.07, but it's obviously less than 15. For 75C the chart value appears to indicate about 12V. Why isn't the temp coefficient more accurate? I notice that the graph is a curve, and not a straight line. As I recall from algebra many years ago, a curved line is defined by a nonlinear equation, and a straight line by a linear equation. The temp coefficient as specified by Kyocera is linear. Is this the reason for the error? If so, why doesn't Kyocera give you the "real" equation to define the graph? Or could it be that the graph is just poor quality. So, what am I doing wrong?
My ultimate goal is to predict the current that will be available at a given temperature. I'm assuming in my calculations above, that the current is still 5.02A at the calculated voltage. In order to bring the voltage up to the desired 15.5, the current is going to have to drop significantly. Is there a way to determine this more accurately than just estimating it from the chart? My first thought was to calculate the watts from the temperature reduction, and then "back into" the current for the desired voltage:
12.74V * 5.02A = 63.95W
63.95 / 15.5 = 4.13A
Ok, can you tell I know just enough to get into trouble? So everybody stop laughing, and tell me what I'm doing wrong
Thanks,
John
comes from examining the currentvoltage charts for a Kyocera KC85T panel.
For discussion, lets assume that the charge controller is trying to equalize at 15.5V. My assumption is that the battery system voltage (set via the charge controller) will determine the operating voltage produced by the panel.
The STC specs for a KC85T panel are as follows:
Vmp = 17.4
Imp = 5.02
Voc = 21.7
Isc = 5.34
Temp Coefficient Voc = 8.21 x 10 2 V/deg C or (.0821)V/degC
Temp Coefficient Isc = 2.12 x 10 3 A/ deg C or (.00212)A/degC
(This was a surprise for me. I had never seen a temp coefficient specified for Vmp)
Temp Coefficient Vmp = 9.32 x 10 2 V/deg C or (.0932)V/degC
Using the temp coefficient with the STC Vmp, I can calculate the voltage that will be generated at other
temperatures.
50C would be: 17.4  (.0932 * 25) = 15.07V
75C would be: 17.4  (.0932 * 50) = 12.74V
Here's the problem. Using Kyocera's currentvoltage graph from their specifications, my calculations don't appear to match. I enlarged their graph, and best I can estimate, the voltage at 50C is about 14.5. I know this is close to the 15.07, but it's obviously less than 15. For 75C the chart value appears to indicate about 12V. Why isn't the temp coefficient more accurate? I notice that the graph is a curve, and not a straight line. As I recall from algebra many years ago, a curved line is defined by a nonlinear equation, and a straight line by a linear equation. The temp coefficient as specified by Kyocera is linear. Is this the reason for the error? If so, why doesn't Kyocera give you the "real" equation to define the graph? Or could it be that the graph is just poor quality. So, what am I doing wrong?
My ultimate goal is to predict the current that will be available at a given temperature. I'm assuming in my calculations above, that the current is still 5.02A at the calculated voltage. In order to bring the voltage up to the desired 15.5, the current is going to have to drop significantly. Is there a way to determine this more accurately than just estimating it from the chart? My first thought was to calculate the watts from the temperature reduction, and then "back into" the current for the desired voltage:
12.74V * 5.02A = 63.95W
63.95 / 15.5 = 4.13A
Ok, can you tell I know just enough to get into trouble? So everybody stop laughing, and tell me what I'm doing wrong
Thanks,
John
Comments

Re: Interaction between voltage, current, and temp
Not sure where you got the .0932 figure from. 
Re: Interaction between voltage, current, and tempNot sure where you got the .0932 figure from.
Believe it or not, it was in the Kyocera installation manual included with the panels that you sold me!
Now you know why I was so surprised by it. I had never seen that spec before, as it's not on Kyocera's PDFs.
John 
Re: Interaction between voltage, current, and temp
>>My assumption is that the battery system voltage (set via the charge controller) will determine the operating voltage produced by the panel.
The Battery voltage doesn't have anything to do with the MPP voltage of the PV, but if in voltage regulation mode, will control the PV voltage to keep the battery voltage constant.
>>Not sure where you got the .0932 figure from.
If they specify the other coefficients, so why not the Mpv I guess ?
On the graph you were reading the curve off of, was the X and Y axis labeled linearly ?
Otherwise, you know how it goes... Nothing is perfectly nonlinear !
boB 
Re: Interaction between voltage, current, and tempSavingEnergy wrote: »Believe it or not, it was in the Kyocera installation manual included with the panels that you sold me!
Now you know why I was so surprised by it. I had never seen that spec before, as it's not on Kyocera's PDFs.
John
I think that is the generic manual for all KC panels unless they just recently upddated it.
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