J.u.t.a Solar

emo69emo69 Registered Users Posts: 9
8)Anyone know anything about the 12/24V 24A Adj Solar Charge Controller w/Display made by J.u.t.a Solar?

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  • BB.BB. Super Moderators, Administrators Posts: 29,698 admin
    Re: J.u.t.a Solar

    I assume you are typing about this guy?

    In the end, most of these controller are very low cost, simple controllers. There is not much in these controllers--but some people do find a use for them (for better or for worse).

    In the end, for a small system, spending $500 for a 80 amp charge controller to control 45 watts of solar power is not cost, or energy, effective.

    Go a head and buy one of the small / inexpensive charge controllers and learn how it operates (or not) on your setup.

    In the end, you will probably learn as much (or more) from your "choice/mistake" with an inexpensive setup as if you followed my suggestion and purchase a $300 controller and $400-$600 worth of crystalline silicon solar panel.

    Will you get the same amount of power as from the $1,000 system as the "starter" system--probably not.

    I am not trying to editorialize here... Starting with simple/inexpensive stuff (plus some affordable test equipment like a DMM and cumulative DC Amp*Hour/Watt*Hour meter) and playing with it without fear of blowing something up be it is too darn expensive is not a bad choice to start your education.

    -Bill
    Near San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset
  • emo69emo69 Registered Users Posts: 9
    Re: J.u.t.a Solar

    Thanks for the info the price was so good it caught my eye. It sounded like it had a lot of LCD read out features and settings. i was mostly asking if it was junk. I have had the itch to generate power for years . I have been checking out the different gear and prices. There sure is a big difference between the low and high end equipment, not sure where i fit in.

    I don't need some expensive hobby. Although it would be nice to save the plannet and cut you're electric bill at the same time.

    You say a $300 controller and $400-$600 worth of crystalline silicon solar panel to start?

    what kind of package do you recommend that I might be able to expand latter?
    8)
  • KamalaKamala Solar Expert Posts: 452 ✭✭
    Re: J.u.t.a Solar
    emo69 wrote: »

    I don't need some expensive hobby. Although it would be nice to save the plannet and cut you're electric bill at the same time.

    The planet cannot be saved (by us.) Even though there are many that think that we can/should.

    We cannot change the way LIFE acts. As members of one of the most prolific and certainly the most inventive species ever to appear in the universe (as far as we know) we, as humans, have done more to save, and conserve other species.

    We kill to eat. Everything that hopes to live does the same. We harnessed fire. To stay warm and eat meat. Or veggies.

    Sorry, I'm off again. Humans, through their development of language, first spoken and, more importantly later written, have created the concept of "standing on the shoulders of giants." This forum is representative of such.

    Very difficult to cut your electric bill, monetarily, by using RE. Try hard to conserve.

    Enjoy!
  • BB.BB. Super Moderators, Administrators Posts: 29,698 admin
    Re: J.u.t.a Solar

    Emo,

    Actually, it is sort of difficult to design and build an "expandable" system (at least starting small/cheap and reusing everything).

    Small solar charge controllers have a limited output current/voltage they can support. You can add more charge controllers in parallel--but that does get a bit messy as you are adding more and more wiring/fuses/etc. to your system.

    The next issue is batteries... Roughly, if you parallel a new battery with an old battery in the same bank--the new battery can quickly age down to where both the new and old battery may die around the same time. Normally, you want to keep battery banks as a set with the same brand/model and even date code batteries (if possible).

    Inverters--a small 12 volt inverter is nice (find one that does not waste much power with small loads)... As you get bigger loads, you need a larger inverter. As you get a larger inverter, you need larger/more batteries. As the load+inverter gets even larger--you need to go from 12 volt battery bank to a 24 or 48 volt battery bank.

    As you increase the size of the battery bank, you need more solar panels and charge controllers (or larger charge controller). As you increase battery bank voltage, you may need a new charge controller (depending on what you got before) and need to rewire your solar panels to support a higher voltage battery bank...

    Etc., etc., etc...

    For everyone, we usually recommend that you follow these steps:

    1. Conservation: It is always cheaper to spend money/time/effort on conserving a Watt than it is to "generate" that Watt.

    2. Know your loads: Define/measure your loads, and your expectations (by day, by season, generator backup or not, etc.).

    3. Design your solar system: Now you have done 1-2, you can design a (hopefully) cost effective solution for your particular needs. Within reason, you can over design the battery/charger/wiring/inverter by a factor of 2x -- and add more solar panels if it turns out you need more power per day from the sun.

    I can give you a few starting points to think about the system you want to start with...

    Solar panels--If you can live with fairly large solar panels--look at mono or poly crystalline panels that are >100 watts... They tend to have the best pricing per watt. But they are large and not easy to transport (they are glass panels).

    For Charge Controllers--Morning Star makes some very nice small PWM controllers. If you want the "best" small MPPT (Maximum Power Point Tracking) type controller--the Morning Star 15 amp MPPT is hard to beat... ~200+ Watts usable maximum of solar panels at 12 volts, or +~400 watts of panels on a 24 volt battery bank.

    If you are looking at ~400 watt and larger systems, and 12, 24 or 48 Volt (and other voltages inbetween)--Xantrex XW MPPT 60 Amp charge controller is very good. Outback FM 60 and FM 80 are also very popular. These will control ~900+ watts of solar panels at 12 volts to ~3,600+ watts on a 48 volt battery bank.

    Inverters--You pretty much need to size them for your loads. The Morning Star 300 watt (600 watt max) TSW Inverter is hard to beat at 12 volts... Xantrex makes a killer inverter at 6kWatts and 48 volts (can be used for Grid Tied, Off-Grid or Hybrid operations).

    Battery wise--for your first set, look at "golf cart" type batteries. Most people kill their first set (aka "Training Batteries") and getting "good" flooded cell or very expensive AGM's can make a very expensive mistake.

    Battery Monitor--once you get to larger battery banks (and especially AGM/Sealed batteries which you cannot measure specific gravity) a Battery Monitor can help prevent battery suicide or murder.

    And read the FAQ's (frequently asked questions) that are on the NAWS website (by the way, I will point to products at NAWS--but you are more than welcome to shop around--NAWS funds this site and it is out of respect for their support of this forum--The Moderators here, Niel and I, are a volunteer spam patrol. Nobody here gets any commisions from sales at NAWS--Other than Windsun, the Admin from NAWS). Also, because NAWS stands behind their products and supports open discussions about any issues--they are a good first place to find good quality products at reasonable prices.

    Of course, they don't stock one each of everything in the world there...

    The links here are a lot to read--but try to go through them--they will answer many of your questions.

    Northern Arizona Wind & Sun Home Page
    Solar Panels
    All About Charge Controllers
    Solar Charge Controller PWM vs MPPT FAQ
    Solar Charge Controllers
    Inverter FAQ
    Selecting Inverters for Pumping Water
    MorningStar 300 watt TSW 12 volt inverter
    Battery FAQ
    Battery Monitors and Kill-A-Watt Meters

    In the end, solar PV power is not cheap... For Grid Tied systems (solar panels + GT Inverter that ties to your utility meter) can be quite cost competitive with Tax Credits for areas with expensive power.

    But Battery Backed / Off Grid systems will probably never be cheaper than Utility power for the near term. Basically, the batteries are expensive and must be replaced every 7-15 years (or less for "cheap" batteries on small systems).

    Very roughly, the price per kWhr for various systems (as always, the numbers below are very rough estimates... You will have to design your own system on paper before you can get more accurate numbers):

    $0.08-$0.30 per kWhr for Utility power
    $0.10-$0.35 per kWhr for Grid Tied Solar power
    $0.45-$0.75 per kWhr for Hybrid (GT/Off-Grid) Solar
    $1.00-$2.00+ per kWhr for Off Grid Solar

    -Bill
    Near San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset
  • BB.BB. Super Moderators, Administrators Posts: 29,698 admin
    Re: J.u.t.a Solar

    By the way Emo...

    I am going to give you one warning about what you are posting...

    You are pretty much on the line of a commercial spammer with new posts/threads about Chinese Junk Products. And, I have deleted the last new thread on some sort of Wind Turbine that will probably fail in the first 20 minutes of operation in a heavy wind.

    If you are actually asking about these random products... Probably nobody here (or anywhere in North America) has heard about them before.

    If you are doing these posts out of ignorance (which I doubt)--Then understand the purpose of this forum and comply to the non-commercial nature of Wind-Sun.com

    We do not allow any spamming.

    -Bill B. Moderator.
    Near San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset
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