and the biggest problem will be with the Installer / Dealer.
Until the sponsor of this forum endorses your product, I’ll put these posts into the ‘free advertising’ circular file
NAWS is very welcome to contact Milbay about distribution of our LiFePO4 storage modules.
Milbay utilise Lithium Ion 18650 technology for small or mobile solutions, for larger capacity transport like our 7.2kWh 5kW 72 Volt UTV, electric chariots (aka Segway) and fixed storage solutions Milbay exclusively use LiFePO4 solutions.PNjunction says:You know that "18650 technology" is merely a reference to a size right, and not a specific chemistry. You may want to specify if you are using LiCo02 for 18650 or not. Not really clear, but then I'm not interested in the toys.And those LiFeP04 solutions are what exactly? I sure hope to heaven that you are using 26650's and not 18650's, which would be ridiculous.Here is the standard you have to meet for any serious motive-power product. FULL specifications!http://www.a123systems.com/lithium-ion-cells-26650-cylindrical-cell.htmYet, if one looks further, for OUR solar storage needs, while these cells are excellent, they are over the top with performance characteristics we'll never use! We don't need motive-power cells for a non motive power application!Personally, I'd stick to your main line of toys. Perhaps even venture into the E-Cig vaping market.
Seems like this thread has gone beyond the marginally Informational to straight out advertising.
The scope for Milbay Power storage solutions is not limited to household use so future proofing for emerging integrations and backwards compatibility was a criteria for our power storage project team.
Our battery management system has been proven over many years of infield deployment to deliver predicted and reliable outcomes.
Cell balancing for Milbay liFePO4 storage modules begins at production level Quality Assurance. Each cell is then managed within the 2.4kWh battery module, Current is delivered to the storage module from the charge controller then the battery module BMS takes over control in an intelligent manner constantly monitoring, adjusting and caring for the LiFePO4 cells.
The Milbay modular design provides consistency in every aspect of the overall power storage solution. The precision built metal cabinets that house the module's internal components evolved through development and in field evaluation. The module design incorporates many safety and reliability aspects to delivery a no maintenance long lasting power storage system for the 21st century.
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The question of top or bottom balance is that our management system caters to both, The information is provided in the storage user manual that end users receive but it is not really relevant to the majority as the Milbay solution is a set and forget system. The reason Milbay undertook to development of such a user and installer friendly solution was so that years of technical knowledge are not required by end users to make purchase decisions. Questions about 3.6 or 3.65V only confuses the consumer and has little relevance in overall solution design or long term performance.
Top charge is just one of the many design considerations incorporated into Milbay battery storage modules however what remains paramount and relevant is capacity, recharge current and discharge current.
Milbay guarantee the capacity and charge current and discharge currents are relevant only to the solar installer.
@westbranch If you are a solar installer or distributor then please contact Milbay [email protected] and we will be happy to answer proprietary technical questions in a confidential environment.
Milbay Australia do not supply our 2.4kWh battery modules to the public, Australian purchase is via the Solar component distribution or solar installer supply chain.
Ordinarily, one doesn't have to recharge lifepo4 after every use as theirs do, unless a balancing board was doing a vampire slow drain. One of the very reasons to go lifepo4 is to NOT have to keep them "topped up".
At any rate, the ONLY thing we'll get from this thread is continuous free advertising for secretive products. There is no give and take - just take. We're done.
I have not heard the MB-572UTV electric 4WD described as a toy before Maybe you have not looked at the dimensions of the UTV as it is a full sized vehicle which out performs combustion equivalents in the UTV/ATV class. http://www.milbay.com.au/CustomerViews/UTV
The challenge that Milbay Australia team set themselves was to deliver a user friendly solar storage solution that would meet the current and future needs of Australian households which Milbay have delivered and released as the Milbay LiFePO4 2.4kWh 48V modular storage.
The criteria was
Easy user interface and monitoring.
A redundant modular design.
10 year warranty to match most inverters.
Backwards compatibility with existing installations
Compatibility with intelligent Hybrid inverters.
Remote management ability.
All these criteria have been met successfully with the release of the Modular 2.4kWh 48V solar storage product line. In February/March Milbay will release a modular LiFePO4 solution for 12V systems.
There are many forum topics already in which hobby enthusiast debate the finer details of LiFePO4 chemistry generally.
Perhaps an explanation as to why particular technical information is being sought may provide some scope or relevance for more specific answers.
Some consumers may indeed wish to build their own solutions and accept their own level of risk, however for the vast majority of consumers a commercially available purpose built LiFePO4 solution such as the Milbay modular design that is ready for installation is most desireable.
A lot of consumers like doing business this way, I always tell people that I have never owned a car, I am just using this one till the next one is delivered. The nuts and bolts and ownership is left to someone else.
I'd hire a attorney and nail everything down in the sales contract, put a big forfeiture in it for non fulfillment, it's too late once everything heads south. Shipping failed units back and forth won't be cheap, + service calls.
If NAWS distributed it, that would satisfy my requirement for a dealer with an excellent reputation
Please understand in Australia it is only qualified solar installers that have the authority to install 48V solar system components.
this topic is available so Milbay Australia can answer any relevant questions about Milbay LiFePO4 modular solar storage. The great leap forward in user friendly, no maintenance, modular, expandable battery storage.
For installer and distributor sales contact [email protected] located in Queensland Australia.
My cost for a 24V, 26 KWH flooded battery is $ 3,600 US, how does this compare?
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The upfront cost will be higher than lead acid however over all TCO will be lower.
Location will allow us to investigate your daylight hours.
I looked for a forum topic but could only find recreational vehicles so maybe this post should go there ?
Firstly Milbay Australia had NO exposure to the "hoverboard disaster" as we are professionals in compliance and quality assurance as well as self balance technology so the eventual outcome was easy to predict.
I was just as amazed as everybody else when otherwise responsible corporate retailers seemed to forget about quality assurance, safety and compliance. I believe it resulted from a lack of technical expertise in the procurement departments of the retailers. Milbay had actually contacted some of the retailers now involved in recalls however it appears they went it alone or for the lowest price.
There are completely different quality levels available at every aspect of a product manufacture and in the new borderless consumer paradigm this was ignored as a level of the supply chain was removed and consumers traded direct with local chinese suppliers who simply delivered a cheaper and cheaper price as was requested by the consumer. Laying blame is difficult however it was at the Chinese end of the "hoverboard" supply chain where the financial pain was felt most.
In short: a device that sells for less than the price of a reliable Lithium Ion battery system will obviously not have a safe and reliable battery which is the heart of all these devices.
Consumer pressure pushed the device into very low price low quality and the low cost versions appeared about September 2015.
In a race to the bottom and a disregard for quality assurance and compliance the rest of the story will continue to unfold, in china however the hoverboard is finished and the financial survivors have already released the next new self balance product which is a skateboard platform and single (unicycle style) wheel, this time feet at the front and back. I wonder will any lessons have been learnt as there is version that uses the same 36V Li battery pack as the hoverboard. This battery pack is as safe as any lithium battery pack if built to correct standards which is very easy to achieve in a simple small 150Wh 18650 cell battery pack as many on this forum would be aware.
More information http://www.milbay.com.au/Li/SolarHome
Below is a 48kWh (useable) LifePO4 storage solution using LiFePO4 2.4kWh storage modules with remote management station.
Couldn't agree more BC04