Perpetual Motion,or Free Energy

Here goes nothing..... Anyone believe in the free lunch? Perpetual motion? Free energy?
On another forum I just answered the following .... "You have a large water wheel with a large gear or other pulley-type mechanism which powers (via chain, rope, etc.) a generator with a much smaller gear or other pulley-type mechanism which charges a battery. The large water wheel has a mechanical advantage, so it should not have a problem getting RPMs into the generator to charge the battery. You use the power from the battery to power a pump that pumps enough water from the bottom to the top to keep the wheel going.....and there you have it. The design would be such that there would be "excess" power (i.e. more power being generated than is being used by the pump) to charge other batteries, so you would effectively have a self-contained charging system that would work 24/7." with a "No way it can work", and got told I should not be so negative. What can you say to these people?
On another forum I just answered the following .... "You have a large water wheel with a large gear or other pulley-type mechanism which powers (via chain, rope, etc.) a generator with a much smaller gear or other pulley-type mechanism which charges a battery. The large water wheel has a mechanical advantage, so it should not have a problem getting RPMs into the generator to charge the battery. You use the power from the battery to power a pump that pumps enough water from the bottom to the top to keep the wheel going.....and there you have it. The design would be such that there would be "excess" power (i.e. more power being generated than is being used by the pump) to charge other batteries, so you would effectively have a self-contained charging system that would work 24/7." with a "No way it can work", and got told I should not be so negative. What can you say to these people?
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Well... if they are thinking about the "Site C dam" in Northern BC , on the Peace River, they might be correct, but ... it hasn't been built yet :roll:;)
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The described setup could not gain speed because there is no energy being put in, only energy being converted. Every conversion suffers massive loses. So it just comes to a stop.
What can you say to these people? There's lots you CAN say, but absolutely nothing you or anyone else can say will open their eyes to the foolishness of what they are trying to promote.
The only thing you can do is walk away and let them stew in their ignorance. Don't let them take you down with them.
Wayne is right with his reply .
The three Laws of Thermodynamics, restated in the context of gambling:
1. Long term you cannot win.
2. You cannot even break even.
3. You are not allowed to leave the game.
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/compact-fusion.html
Perpetual motion is a scam, takes energy to make lesser energy, law of physics
Unfortunately, the "trick" involved, had nothing to do with magnets - - - other than perhaps being a part of the slight-of-hand or illusion they used to trick you into believing the hoax / scam they were promoting.
John
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New Test Suggests NASA’s “Impossible” EM Drive Will Work In Space.
Can never say "never"...
-Bill
I have seen high power lasers leave a foggy spot on mirrors when the air contains fumes. I tried to argue the airborn molecules were being nudged by the light, causing the collisions that made up the sticky spot over time. Nobody believed that, maybe that is being proved right here too.
I saw that. It's interesting, but 100% completely speculative since they haven't actually built anything yet.
Never say never, but the smart money is that in about 20 years fusion reactors will still be 20 years in the future. It's been that way for at least three full 20-year cycles so far.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIOZ_aMrKos