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    Default Tankless, LP water heater for mobile home?

    Hello,

    I'm looking for recommendations for an LP gas tankless hot water heater with sealed combustion approved for use in a mobile home. Preferably one that doesn't require power for ignition or venting. We have a small solar array, but power is precious in the winter here and would rather not run the genny for anything but days of darkness.

    Any suggestions?

    Thanks!

    John

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    20x BP 4175B panels (replacement) + Xantrex GT 3.3 inverter for 3kW Grid Tied system + Honda eu2000i Inverter/Generator for emergency backup.

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    I personally don't know of a sealed combustion unit that requires NO power. I think the auto ignition bosches use no power, but they are not sealed combustion.

    Personally I would look at Rinnai, or Takagi.

    Tony

    PS. A little further info on the Takagi, (and I would suspect it to follow for the Rinnai as well) I think it uses less than 5 watts in standby, but if you put a switch on it, it would then use nothing in standby. I believe that it uses ~50 watts while running full bore, so if you take a 6 minute shower you would use ~5 wh, not to many in the grand scheme. Do that 10 times a day for showers, laundry dishes etc, 50 WH, still not too much, abou the same as burning a 15 watt CFL for ~ 3 hours. (The spec for the TK Jr is .51 amps at 120vac) which would be 61 watts.

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    Please note, being a moderator does not add any weight to my opinions 300 watts Siemens/BP panels,plus a Sun 90,, making ~400. ~30 amps into Rogue MPT-3024, 450 ah of Trojan T-105, Morningstar ts300 inverter, a Tri-Metric meter.a collection of antique generators, plus 2 Honda eu-1000i's (also a BS2512 IX controller) and assorted other stuff!

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    Thanks!

    All good info. Looking at the Takagi now. Have written them with some specific questions about power consumption and code compliance. Have heard elsewhere that the Takagi Jr is approved for mobile homes, but want it in writing before making a purchase. I'm not the code stickler. The LP company is.

    Thanks again,

    John

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    John,

    Please post your findings. One of these has been on my "want" list for awhile, hopefully before my tank heater goes belly up. I am in a mobile too.

    Phil
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    Takagi's installation instructions read:

    "Manufactured Home (Mobile Home) Installation
    This appliance must be installed in accordance with the Manufactured Home Construction and Safety Standard, (Title 24, CFR; Part 3280) and ANSI A119.5/NFPA 501D. In addition, install in accordance with the following instructions, the instructions supplied with any venting, local codes, utility company requirements for the installation of water heaters in manufactured homes (mobile homes), and the latest edition of the National Fuel Gas Code, ANSI Z221.3/NFPA 50.
    Locate the heater in an enclosure separating the unit from the internal atmosphere of the manufactured home or trailer. All combustion air must be obtained from the outside atmosphere, and the flue gases must be discharged directly outdoors through a gas vent. There must be no opening from the interior of the home or trailer into the water heater enclosure."

    I am not clear on the second paragraph regarding locating in a separate enclosure. I assume that this would be a water heater closet with a gasketed door. The Takagi sealed combustion kit is very simple. It involves a hood that screws to the front of the heater, and connects to a flex pipe (~6") that you drill through the wall or the floor. Very to install.

    Tony
    Please note, being a moderator does not add any weight to my opinions 300 watts Siemens/BP panels,plus a Sun 90,, making ~400. ~30 amps into Rogue MPT-3024, 450 ah of Trojan T-105, Morningstar ts300 inverter, a Tri-Metric meter.a collection of antique generators, plus 2 Honda eu-1000i's (also a BS2512 IX controller) and assorted other stuff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by icarus View Post
    Takagi's installation instructions read [for mobilehomes]...

    ...I am not clear on the second paragraph regarding locating in a separate enclosure. I assume that this would be a water heater closet with a gasketed door.
    Tony
    Our mobilehome has an exterior door to access the water heater, and vents in the door for incoming air. There's a vent pipe through the roof for exhaust gases. There is no access to this compartment from inside the house. This would be different if our home didn't come originally with a gas water heater, I'm sure.

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    Phil,

    Every "manufactured" home I have ever worked on, (not many) had the water heater accessible from the outside, in a little enclosure, even it it had an electric water heater. I assume that is so that they meet the standard set above in any event. I can't imagine why a Direct vent Takagi (or Rinnai for that matter) would be acceptable to the building dept.

    Tony
    Please note, being a moderator does not add any weight to my opinions 300 watts Siemens/BP panels,plus a Sun 90,, making ~400. ~30 amps into Rogue MPT-3024, 450 ah of Trojan T-105, Morningstar ts300 inverter, a Tri-Metric meter.a collection of antique generators, plus 2 Honda eu-1000i's (also a BS2512 IX controller) and assorted other stuff!

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