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    Yeah I know I am a new guy, you'll find me mostly in the Mopar and Diesel pick up forums. I admin 2 of them. I feel it's important I get the word out about this though.

    First a bit of history
    I started on this project 2 years ago. I studied my limited roof space. (Bob Vela be proud) and my winds. I originally wanted to start with the solar and put up some wind power to cover both aspects. But I had too much trouble with the town, and selecting a good panel supplier. So I ended up with the wind first and got my infastructure installed. That part is just being tweaked now. I'll explain.

    I started with Google and kept ending up with eBay, I personally hate that store, but it seemed to offer the best choices for my needs. I read through spec after spec, trying yo get my best bang for the buck. I ended with this outfit called Missouri Wind and Solar. Ho Boy

    When I finally got my towers up, I was greatly disappointed. 3100 watts worth of generators gave me a whopping 4 Amps in a 25 MPH gust. Not only that, The Missouri charge control panel was discharging my batteries, big time. I dug into it and found the problem, but the panel was advertised to handle 10,000 watts on #6 wire. I'll save the rest for another time A UTube video explains it in seconds). Anyway, I contacted Missouri Wind and Solar and got no responses. Then got the bumbs rush for another month, where it was past the fight time for a refund from PayPal. I know you all know what I am talking about.

    I'm getting to the point. I started digging and found hundreds of complaints about this company. Yesterday they got delivery of solar panels all crushed right from the container. One of his former suppliers tracked down where he bought them, and found he bought all the factory QC rejects from Suntec (?) He even posted a video showing the crushd panels.

    Knowing how this guy operates, he is about to flood the market with under spec panels, I guess he'll salvage what he can. He will false advertise them, and get away with it. I'm not addicted to solar, I am just wanting to put my panels in and forget them, except for an occasional maint/inspection. We're not sure what name he is going to trade under, but his hate club is tracking that down. I'm just the mouth.

    There is quite a stink going on in YouTube. You may want to go over there and search for Missouri Wind and Solar. You can also search for my videos and see what we really found. Apparently, "Polaraco" has become some sort of a expert on the wind subject. Well let's just say I learn quick and think logically.

    Everything I have said here I have back up on. I have been ripped for $5K and threatened by the owner, nothing I have said is false. If Missouri Wind and Solar is a member, he is welcome to reply. But I assure you it won't be pretty. That's the way he is as you'll see in YouTube.

    Bottom line, after I bored you to death, Missouri Wind and Solar is about to take advantage of the unsuspecting, and needs to be stopped. Missouri Wind and Solar is about to flood the market with some junk. Too many scams in the renewable industry. Our mission is to take one con out of it. Oh BTW, he has been reported to the BBB, Attorney Generals Office, IRS, and the internet fraud agencies. See ya on Youtube and thanks.

    Steve

    PS Glad to be here.

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    Yea, Missouri Wind and Solar wind turbines appear to not to generate any long term useful power from posts and ytube videos that have been posted here in other threads.

    By the way, I am going to delete your blog entry--We are not really using the Blog portion of the forum yet (have not quite figured out how to make use of the blog without creating redundancies with the forum itself).

    By the way, you got the crushed panels from Missouri Wind and Solar or another vendor?

    -Bill
    20x BP 4175B panels (replacement) + Xantrex GT 3.3 inverter for 3kW Grid Tied system + Honda eu2000i Inverter/Generator for emergency backup.

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      I think you should have stuck with it, turbines work, magnets,wires etc. I am having problems with my own wind turbine and want it working....not lawers
      Tech'no'ught'd

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        Originally posted by BB. View Post
        Yea, Missouri Wind and Solar wind turbines appear to not to generate any long term useful power from posts and ytube videos that have been posted here in other threads.

        By the way, I am going to delete your blog entry--We are not really using the Blog portion of the forum yet (have not quite figured out how to make use of the blog without creating redundancies with the forum itself).

        By the way, you got the crushed panels from Missouri Wind and Solar or another vendor?

        -Bill
        Hi Bill It's OK. I never had a blog before. LOL Oh Well, one more thing to pay attention too. LOL

        No I didn't buy any panels from him or yet. I am thinking of going with Alternative Energies of Kentucky. All US made and certified. I came close though, and threw on the brakes. He has a video on UT blaming the customer for a panel that appears to be bad, just watching the video. It happens. But he blames the customer for everything. If you were following the nastygrams, you'd see that.

        I'm just wind right now, Solar in about another 6 weeks. My infastructure is on, I just have to tie in to it with the panels. I can't get anymore than 1600 on the house. But I was thinking about making awnings over my south windows with a row. Kill t birds. Get another 1100 in the prime sun and block the sun heat from coming in the house.

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          Originally posted by Thomas View Post
          I think you should have stuck with it, turbines work, magnets,wires etc. I am having problems with my own wind turbine and want it working....not lawers
          I can try to help you with it Tom. I learned allot. Tell me about the install and your geography. Pics help.

          Here is my erector set. I just finished this. If I did it right, it's good for 90 MPH. Welcome to old town suburbia in New Jersey. That's 2000 watts potential. We've had hardly any wind this year. Ugh

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            Originally posted by Thomas View Post
            I think you should have stuck with it, turbines work, magnets,wires etc. I am having problems with my own wind turbine and want it working....not lawers
            You know what? I left out I replaced my Missouri wind turbines with Thermodyne's. Thermodyne is the original designer of this type. Missouri Wind was a dealer and poorly copied Thermodynes. First day with 15 MPH winds, and I was getting 13 amps off two pf them. I got 4 amps from mw&s in 25 MPH winds. I never want to take those towers down again, They're HEAVY!
            Last edited by niel; February 3rd, 2012, 0:14. Reason: company initials substituted instead of name calling. name calling is against the rules.

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              Good luck in 90mph winds! I've seen the 2 3/4" pipe on my tower whip and bend in 60mph winds. The weakest point in your erector set will be there the threaded pipes join with couplers. When pipe is threaded the wall thickness is probably halved...and the subsequent strength reduction would be great.

              I wouldn't be outside looking up in a major wind event

              Ralph
              http://enlighten.enphaseenergy.com/p...stems/hY7W5536
              see the project buildhttp://www.greenpowertalk.org/showthread.php?t=11702

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                Originally posted by Polaraco View Post
                I can try to help you with it Tom. I learned allot. Tell me about the install and your geography. Pics help.

                Here is my erector set. I just finished this. If I did it right, it's good for 90 MPH. Welcome to old town suburbia in New Jersey. That's 2000 watts potential. We've had hardly any wind this year. Ugh

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                I'm surprised that close to a house you get any production at all.....seems like the roof would be constantly breaking up the air flow.

                As to the YouTube video's, looks like a bunch of school girls in a spat...and likely a mix of competitors, base on the "you can find it cheaper here" videos.

                I saw the one where MWS got a container of solar panels.....I'd have rejected the whole load, personally, given the way they were loosely packed in those wood crates, but they didn't look "crushed".....and may not be harmed at all. I don't know....you don't know.....and neither of us knows what he intends to do with them IF they are hurt.

                Shipping problems DO happen. I ordered a set of Solarworld panels that were shipped directly from the factory in California, and when they got to the local truck terminal, something has obviously fallen on the top of the pallet of panels in transit and smashed the glass thru on the top panel. Really funny, because the bottom of the pallet was built with enough wood to build a small shed, and the top of the pallet was just a pc of cardboard. One 8 buck pc 8 of 1/2 plywood on the top would have saved a 500 buck panel.
                20-175watt Solarworld panels, mounted on two home built single axis powered trackers, 10-245w Solarworld panels, mounted on home built dual axis tracker, 1 MX60, 1 FM60, 1 FM80, 24v bank of Absolyte 2v AGM GNP II cells 1200amp/hr, 2-GTFX2524 2500w Outbacks producing 120/240 AC, Trimetric monitor, Grid tied, produce about 600kw/hrs/mo. 12/2012: Added 10 Solarworld 255w panels and 10 Enphase mirco inverters.

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                  Originally posted by Ralph Day View Post
                  Good luck in 90mph winds! I've seen the 2 3/4" pipe on my tower whip and bend in 60mph winds. The weakest point in your erector set will be there the threaded pipes join with couplers. When pipe is threaded the wall thickness is probably halved...and the subsequent strength reduction would be great.

                  I wouldn't be outside looking up in a major wind event

                  Ralph
                  I hope the project works out, but for sure, I would NOT want to be the next door neighbor! I have personal experience with blades going off in all directions, one piece left sticking through the barn roof like a giant knife that stabbed a turkey. I'm most thankful there was no one around when they it happened! Some pieces I never did find! As much as I want this project to work out for the OP, I just cannot see their "towers" holding up for long before the big crash happens. Unfortunately, it's not if, it's when. :(
                  1900 watts PV, (1000 watts PV feeding MidNite Classic 150; 900 watts PV + 160 watts micro hydro both feeding into a single shared Morningstar TS-MPPT-60) ; Xantrex Pure Sine 1800/12 for heavy loads; Xantrex Pure Sine 1000/12 on 24/7 for everything else; six Rolls Surrette 2 volt L16 @ 12 volts.
                  Domestic hot water totally provided by the sun 8 months out of every year via thermal panel.

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                    The back of the house points true west. My strongest and most frequent winds come from this side. I have clear shots except due east. But I am about a foot over the roof line. I have to deal with the town too

                    I used Struts on those towers. Watching them, there is almost no movement at all in gusts. Just the 4 Foot verticles shake slightly.

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                      Originally posted by waynefromnscanada View Post
                      I hope the project works out, but for sure, I would NOT want to be the next door neighbor! I have personal experience with blades going off in all directions, one piece left sticking through the barn roof like a giant knife that stabbed a turkey. I'm most thankful there was no one around when they it happened! Some pieces I never did find! As much as I want this project to work out for the OP, I just cannot see their "towers" holding up for long before the big crash happens. Unfortunately, it's not if, it's when. :(
                      Heh Yeah I thought about that too. I did allot of question asking about the blades because of the close proximity. Not to mention I sleep under that. These are fiber reinforced composit blades. They've been on the street for 5 years without 1 loss. So they say. They are made to flex. You literally have to bend one ofer your knee by 50/60* before they will fracture. Snap at 90*. I have seen aluminum blades take a hike on people though. Probably from fatigue. The PMA's and blades came from Thermodyne

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                        People only put bad news or problems on the internet.
                        I would want to dress that wind generation station up with some solar panels.
                        I am having problems getting my Air-x 400 12 volt running @ a good voltage level, nevermind amps.
                        there is no more controller in the unit, in the 5 months it has been an ornament on my mobile home there has been about 7 storms that i would have really liked to have gotten a charge out of and some grid tie hours out of. Rats. back to three phase google. round and round she goes where she stops only the hampster knows.
                        Tech'no'ught'd

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                          Thomas,

                          I think it is possible that some or your AirX problems might be partially as a result of you lack of understanding grounding issues,, as you demonstrated on another thread.

                          Icarus
                          Please note, being a moderator does not add any weight to my opinions 300 watts Siemens/BP panels,plus a Sun 90,, making ~400. ~30 amps into Rogue MPT-3024, 450 ah of Trojan T-105, Morningstar ts300 inverter, a Tri-Metric meter.a collection of antique generators, plus 2 Honda eu-1000i's (also a BS2512 IX controller) and assorted other stuff!

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                            yeah I am over grounded, can't be too safe. I had one loop. google is out of new angles on my three phase problem, I am at center tap propoganda trying to see a safe way to the facts/truth thru experimentation/action. heresy.
                            Tech'no'ught'd

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                              Gotta remember this year has been bad for wind. Has to do with the axis on the Sun, so they say. But March and April are supposed to be really windy this year. I can't wait.

                              I just ordered 1600 watts of panels tonight. You guys got me started already

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