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  • #46

    Re: Troubleshooting Honda 2000i generator

    Re: Troubleshooting Honda 2000i generator

    Originally posted by ChrisOlson View Post
    But the engineers of yesteryear still knew how to build stuff that stands the test of time.
    On the other hand, everything from the 70-s that didn't have longevity has disapperaed. What we see now had to have longevity, otherwise we would not see it. Somebody in the 2050-s will look at whatever is still left from present times and will tell - "Yes, this old stuff had longevity!".
    Off-grid: 6.12kW SolarWorld, 8 Trojan IND13-6V, XW6048, 2 XW MPPT60-150, 10kW Generac, 5kW Champion

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    • #47

      Re: Troubleshooting Honda 2000i generator

      Re: Troubleshooting Honda 2000i generator

      Originally posted by NorthGuy View Post
      Somebody in the 2050-s will look at whatever is still left from present times and will tell - "Yes, this old stuff had longevity!".
      Yeah, but I'll tell you right now that won't be the Honda EU2000 or GX engine. I got an old 4 horse Witte that was built in 1931 and we used to use it on the farm for running the sawmill when I was a kid. I ended up with it and it still runs fine and I start it up a couple times a year and run it to keep it limbered up. That engine will still be running in 2050 - I guarantee you it will. It's made out of 600 lbs of cast iron and you can fit a whole Honda EU2000 generator in the bore.

      They don't even make a 4 horse engine anymore that would run our old sawmill because the horses these days are ponies while the horses in them old engines were Belgians.
      --
      Chris

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      • #48

        Re: Troubleshooting Honda 2000i generator

        Re: Troubleshooting Honda 2000i generator

        My lister SL2, built in the '40s still runs like new. I did out new pistons and berings in it 25 years ago, from wet stackin! It probably weights 800# and was rated at 8 HP, 5 kw genset.

        Tony
        Please note, being a moderator does not add any weight to my opinions 300 watts Siemens/BP panels,plus a Sun 90,, making ~400. ~30 amps into Rogue MPT-3024, 450 ah of Trojan T-105, Morningstar ts300 inverter, a Tri-Metric meter.a collection of antique generators, plus 2 Honda eu-1000i's (also a BS2512 IX controller) and assorted other stuff!

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        • #49

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          Re: Troubleshooting Honda 2000i generator

          I got a lot of older stuff that other people threw out. My Honda Passport C70 that I pulled out of the junkyard and bought for 15 bucks. Can't get a six volt battery for it anymore so I got a junk Ever Start car battery strapped to it that's only got 8 volts left in it. Works good. I ride it into town all the time to get parts and only ever been stopped by the cops once. The cop looked at my license plate, shook his head and told me he ain't never seen nothing like it before so he couldn't even write me up a ticket for it.





          And then my Grazer G1142 zero-turn lawnmower that I got for free because the engine was bad in it. I put a "re-power kit" in it. The Honda GX160 drives the hydro pumps and the Briggs 5.5 drives the deck. And I found a couple barn door hinges that I welded on it so it so the seat can be tilted up to get to the Briggs to start it. I even got the original throttle cable hooked up to the Main Deck Engine. But you have to reach back to run the throttle on the Main Propulsion Engine.





          Yep. It's old stuff. But it's still good
          --
          Chris

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          • #50

            Re: Troubleshooting Honda 2000i generator

            Re: Troubleshooting Honda 2000i generator

            Originally posted by ChrisOlson View Post
            Yeah, but I'll tell you right now that won't be the Honda EU2000 or GX engine. I got an old 4 horse Witte that was built in 1931 and we used to use it on the farm for running the sawmill when I was a kid. I ended up with it and it still runs fine and I start it up a couple times a year and run it to keep it limbered up. That engine will still be running in 2050 - I guarantee you it will. It's made out of 600 lbs of cast iron and you can fit a whole Honda EU2000 generator in the bore.

            They don't even make a 4 horse engine anymore that would run our old sawmill because the horses these days are ponies while the horses in them old engines were Belgians.
            --
            Chris
            Had a Witte. Also a Hercules, Jaegar, United, Elmira ... and even several B&S made the right way. The B&S on my 5kW gen is already junk and it has no place near the hours the Hondas have on them.

            Some companies due still make 'em to last, but you pay for it. Too much buying the cheap equipment to "save money" - like no-name charge controllers/inverters. If you think the available quality of the name brands is bad, you should see the fly-by-nighters: any label will do if it sells the product.

            My Toyota might be around in 50 years. Although it's already got 328,000 miles (yes miles) on it. On the other hand the Ford has chewed its way through 1.1 million klicks. Don't start to think I have exceptional luck with motors either; I've had my share of ones that went "kerblooie" far before their time. Strike a line through the name and never buy again.
            1220 Watts of PV, OB MX60, 232 Amp hrs, OB 3524, Honda eu2000.

            Ohm's Law: Amps = Volts / Ohms
            Power Formula: Watts = Volts * Amps

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            • #51

              Re: Troubleshooting Honda 2000i generator

              Re: Troubleshooting Honda 2000i generator

              Originally posted by Cariboocoot View Post
              Had a Witte. Also a Hercules, Jaegar, United, Elmira ... and even several B&S made the right way. The B&S on my 5kW gen is already junk and it has no place near the hours the Hondas have on them..
              Briggs does build some good engines, but they're more expensive than the aluminum bore ones. The I/C-series cast iron sleeve flat-heat engines are louder than loud. But you can't break one.
              --
              Chris

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              • #52

                Re: Troubleshooting Honda 2000i generator

                Re: Troubleshooting Honda 2000i generator

                While we're deviating from the OP...I've got an old Wisconsin 8 HP single, with an impulse coupled external magneto. It will take your hand off if you don't pull it right. Ran it on a water pump for decades, but no one else could start it safety, so I replaced with a simple Honda Gx unit.

                Tony

                PS. I have a 20s vintage 4 cyl water cooled Kohler Dc genny that ran like new when it was tossed aside a decade or so ago. Even had an auto start system. Now if you wish me to talk about the outboard motor collection!

                t
                Please note, being a moderator does not add any weight to my opinions 300 watts Siemens/BP panels,plus a Sun 90,, making ~400. ~30 amps into Rogue MPT-3024, 450 ah of Trojan T-105, Morningstar ts300 inverter, a Tri-Metric meter.a collection of antique generators, plus 2 Honda eu-1000i's (also a BS2512 IX controller) and assorted other stuff!

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                • #53

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                  Re: Troubleshooting Honda 2000i generator

                  OK, back on track, I'm with Dave, motorcycle oil is my preferred for hot running engines. I will admit though, that I did NOT think of the Eu1000i gen or the 3000i as 'hot' runners. I have changed my mind after the wife used the 1000 to run the vacuum today, on ECO setting and it ramps up to a hard working little brute... running at that speed for over 1 hour with some short reprieves while she moved the ladder. I think I will try Castrol.

                  History: the ONLY oil my 72 BMW R60/5 has seen is CASTROL...60,000+ Miles.

                  You can still get it... even at Canadian Tire.... (once had a kid try to send me to the pharmacy for Castor oil!).... a 10/30 oil that allowed kick starting at sub freezing temps (don't ask) to running across Nebraska in 90+*F temps at 90 mph, just to try staying cool, on that darned BLACK TOP.

                  from their M/C page:
                  For over 100 years, Castrol has played a vital role in developing and producing high-quality motorcycle engine oils. Castrol works closely with motorcycle manufacturers, race teams, and customers to develop the most technically advanced lubricants available. Our motorcycle products include synthetic, synthetic blend and conventional oil for both 2- and 4-stroke engines. http://www.castrol.com/castrol/ifram...tentId=7081246
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                  • #54

                    Re: Troubleshooting Honda 2000i generator

                    Re: Troubleshooting Honda 2000i generator

                    Eric,

                    Bck off topic, I have a 67 R50/2 wth 250k on the clock! Castro, is all it has ever had!

                    Been in long term storeage for. Years of late! One of these days I will consider a restoration!

                    I ran it is all my Air cooled VWs and Porsches as well.

                    Tony
                    Last edited by icarus; July 10th, 2013, 0:17.
                    Please note, being a moderator does not add any weight to my opinions 300 watts Siemens/BP panels,plus a Sun 90,, making ~400. ~30 amps into Rogue MPT-3024, 450 ah of Trojan T-105, Morningstar ts300 inverter, a Tri-Metric meter.a collection of antique generators, plus 2 Honda eu-1000i's (also a BS2512 IX controller) and assorted other stuff!

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                    • #55

                      Re: Troubleshooting Honda 2000i generator

                      Re: Troubleshooting Honda 2000i generator

                      The subject of which is the "best oil" for an eu2000i has been debated ad nauseum over on the Yahoo eu2000i group forum. Some who have maintained many of these gens over thousands of hours swear by Mobil One, others say using a synthetic doesn't matter. No consensus. One thing that there is consensus on though is that because there is no oil filter on these generators, frequent oil changes - like every 100 hrs or less - IS important. Magnetic oil plugs also help - maybe..
                      Array 1: Sanyo HIT225 X 8 on Wattsun tracker. Array 2: Evergreen ES-E-225 X 12 on shed roof. Midnite e-panel with Outback GVFX3648, FNDC and Classic 150 X 2. 436 AH AGMs. Honda eu2000i X 2. Outback PSX-240 autotransformer. Remote monitoring and control with HP netbook running UltraVNC, Wattplot, Midnite local app and Cumulus weather station software. Waiting to be installed: PowerSpout ME120 microhydro turbine and 3rd Midnite Classic 150.

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                      • #56

                        Re: Troubleshooting Honda 2000i generator

                        Re: Troubleshooting Honda 2000i generator

                        i am not going to perpetuate a sideshow on the oil portion of this thread as mtdoc has a good point of the forums that do address the subject matter. now i will add my thoughts that it won't matter what oil you would use if the oil isn't filtered and requires changing every 100hrs. the full life span of either type will not be realized because of it not being filtered. make sense?
                        NIEL

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                        • #57

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                          Re: Troubleshooting Honda 2000i generator

                          From this thread:
                          Originally posted by ChrisOlson View Post
                          So I'm using Phillips Super HDII 15W-40 (which is what I run in all my trucks year 'round) in the Honda iGX on our EM4000SX generator now. No problems with the low oil sensor with the Super HDII.
                          Originally posted by ChrisOlson View Post
                          Originally posted by vtmaps View Post
                          Chris, does this mean that synthetic oils (such as Mobil One) are NOT suitable for air cooled engines?
                          I know lots of people have used it with good success.
                          and from the sticky "Choosing a good generator" thread:
                          Originally posted by ChrisOlson View Post
                          I don't know what a lot of folks use for oil, but I recommend Mobil 1 synthetic for air-cooled generator engines (I have absolutely no affiliation with the company that sells it). Experience has shown me that Mobil 1 will never carbon foul the top piston ring and underside of the valve heads, and it withstands the high temperatures that air-cooled engines run at better than conventional oil does. I use 5W-30 in mine at temps below freezing, and switch to 10W-30 in the summer time.
                          Chris, why the evolution in thought?

                          --vtMaps
                          4 x 235w Samsung, Outback fm60 & vfx3524 & mate, Midnite E-panel, four Interstate L16, Trimetric monitor, Honda eu2000

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                          • #58

                            Re: Troubleshooting Honda 2000i generator

                            Re: Troubleshooting Honda 2000i generator

                            Originally posted by vtmaps View Post
                            Chris, why the evolution in thought?
                            I have gotten to see the exchange between the racers that I see wrecking engines all the time (and they burn out inverters too) and the local Honda dealer refusing warranty coverage on more than one engine if they use it. I don't believe that for normal operation that the Mobil 1 synthetics will hurt anything. But if you have an engine problem under warranty and Honda refuses to cover it based on the oil used, the only recourse you have is to go to your oil manufacturer and have them either cover it or provide proof to Honda that their lubricant meets Honda's requirements. Mobil 1 will not do that for their "energy conserving" oils in air-cooled engines, as I found out. They will do it for their Mobil 1 4T racing blends that have adequate amounts of ZDDP in them.

                            All the diesel oil makers are really proud of their diesel oils (which contains ridiculous amounts of zinc and phos) and will stand behind them, even providing oil analysis services for both preventive maintenance and engine failure purposes.

                            So it's a grey area where Honda is concerned. They don't publish an actual spec or test, just a vague "recommendation" that gives them an "out" on the warranty coverage.

                            Edit:
                            It's a grey area with some diesel oils too, I should mention. As I said, I had a problem with Cenex oils (which are formulated for off-road duty, for the most part) with causing our Honda EM4000SX to start, then shut down because the stuff coated the low oil sensor and it thought there was no oil in it and it would quit. I have used the Cenex oil in my older GX engines with the internal sensor with no problems. But the iGX engine's externally serviceable sensor evidently doesn't like it. I'm not sure how that sensor works - being it has a single wire going to it, and if you disconnect the wire the engine runs fine, it must require a ground to shut the engine down if there's no oil in it. So the Cenex oil's higher amounts of some metals that are added to oils to enhance their lubricating qualities must cause it to ground and shut the engine off.

                            But despite all that I still like the Mobil 1 synthetics for cold weather because there's a noticeable difference in how easy the engine starts and how much it labors when it's cold during warmup. But if you ask Mobil 1, they specifically recommend their 4T blend for air-cooled engines and motorcycles - not the "energy conserving" blends with the SAE 5W-30 and 10W-30 grades.
                            --
                            Chris
                            Last edited by ChrisOlson; July 11th, 2013, 8:13.

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                            • #59

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                              Re: Troubleshooting Honda 2000i generator

                              Originally posted by niel View Post
                              i am not going to perpetuate a sideshow on the oil portion of this thread as mtdoc has a good point of the forums that do address the subject matter. now i will add my thoughts that it won't matter what oil you would use if the oil isn't filtered and requires changing every 100hrs. the full life span of either type will not be realized because of it not being filtered. make sense?
                              Yes. (Says the man who changes the oil in his generator every 50 hours.)
                              1220 Watts of PV, OB MX60, 232 Amp hrs, OB 3524, Honda eu2000.

                              Ohm's Law: Amps = Volts / Ohms
                              Power Formula: Watts = Volts * Amps

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                              • #60

                                Re: Troubleshooting Honda 2000i generator

                                Re: Troubleshooting Honda 2000i generator

                                Originally posted by ChrisOlson View Post
                                I have gotten to see the exchange between the racers that I see wrecking engines all the time (and they burn out inverters too) and the local Honda dealer refusing warranty coverage on more than one engine if they use it. I don't believe that for normal operation that the Mobil 1 synthetics will hurt anything. But if you have an engine problem under warranty and Honda refuses to cover it based on the oil used, the only recourse you have is to go to your oil manufacturer and have them either cover it or provide proof to Honda that their lubricant meets Honda's requirements. Mobil 1 will not do that for their "energy conserving" oils in air-cooled engines, as I found out.
                                That's interesting but in reality how many Honda generator engines fail within the warranty period? From what I can tell, very few. Those that do have likely been severely abused (or the very rare manufacturing defect)

                                So choosing your oil based on possible warranty considerations seems kind of silly to me. If one was concerned about this - it would be short lived since the warranty expires in 2-3 yrs.

                                For me, since my 2 eu2000is are no longer in warranty it is not a concern. I use Moble 1 only because I have lots of it around since I use it in my Autos. I have no strong opinion about which oils is best...
                                Array 1: Sanyo HIT225 X 8 on Wattsun tracker. Array 2: Evergreen ES-E-225 X 12 on shed roof. Midnite e-panel with Outback GVFX3648, FNDC and Classic 150 X 2. 436 AH AGMs. Honda eu2000i X 2. Outback PSX-240 autotransformer. Remote monitoring and control with HP netbook running UltraVNC, Wattplot, Midnite local app and Cumulus weather station software. Waiting to be installed: PowerSpout ME120 microhydro turbine and 3rd Midnite Classic 150.

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