How to calculate / estimate how long batteries should take to charge with generator

ryan112ryanryan112ryan Posts: 11Registered Users ✭✭
I have been living off grid w/ batteries for a year and a half, but this winter we've had a few long runs with very cloudy skies.  So for the first time I had to fire up my generator to bring the batteries back up to full charge.  My installer told me 1-2 hours with my generator should take my batteries from 50% back up to mostly full, but I ran it for two hours and my voltage was 24.6  to 24.8  Not bad, but I was expecting more.  This was what my panel was reading during the charging (http://imgur.com/X0BdbE0

My question is, does this seem about right?  How could I calculate how long it should take? 

Also after finishing charging, my batteries seemed to drop voltage a bit faster than normal once I started using them with lighter than normal use, could there be something else going on?  I just topped off the batteries a week ago with distilled water. 

System details
  • (9) Canadian Solar CS-6p 250 Watt Poly Black Frame  (Spec Sheet)
  • (1) Schneider SW 4024 (Spec Sheet)
  • (1) Schneider MPPT 60 Charge Controller (Spec Sheet)
  • (8) Trojan L-16 6v 370 AH Flooded Lead Acid Batteries (Spec Sheet)
  • (1) Schneider System Control Panel (Spec Sheet)
  • (1) Schneider Interconnect Panel (no spec sheet)
  • (1) Midnight Solar MNPV 80AMP Dinrail Breaker (Spec Sheet)
Generator Details
  • Troy Bilt Brigs and Straton 6,250 generator Model #: 30594
  • Connected to my system is 240V through a 30 amp plug
Input readings from my monitor panel during charging
Other:
  • Air temp 70 degrees F
  • 24 volt system, 4 and 4 batteries in series parallel



Comments

  • vtmapsvtmaps Posts: 3,738Solar Expert ✭✭✭✭
    Your battery capacity is 740 ah X 24 volts = 17760 watthours.

    Subtracting loads and accounting for charger inefficiency, I would guess that you have about 2400 watts going into the battery (that means 2400 watthours every hour).   2400 watthours is 13.5% of your battery's capacity, and bulk charging tends to be very efficient, so I would expect that your SOC should rise about 13% every hour during bulk charging. 

    From 50% SOC, about 3.5 hours of charging should get your SOC above 90% and into absorb stage of charging.

    --vtMaps
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  • Dave AngeliniDave Angelini Posts: 3,901Solar Expert ✭✭✭✭
    Measure the SG, much easier than the math.....
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  • mike95490mike95490 Posts: 7,801Solar Expert ✭✭✭✭
    Your charging happens via the inverter & controlled by the SCP, which you seem to have a handle on.  I don't know if the Combox would be any more useful for you or not. 
     But, for a 24V battery bank, I think your voltages are quite low.  Full charge should be about 25.5V, and to get there, you have to drive close to 30V   For 80% (Bulk only, no Absorb) at least 25V - see this chart


    To understand some more about charging, this covers some of the basics
    http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_the_lead_acid_battery      I think you are damaging your cells by not getting into the upper % of the charge, and could be getting some sulfation / loss of capacity. 
    Good luck

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  • scrubjaysnestscrubjaysnest Posts: 174Solar Expert ✭✭✭
    mike95490 said:
    Your charging happens via the inverter & controlled by the SCP, which you seem to have a handle on.  I don't know if the Combox would be any more useful for you or not. 
     But, for a 24V battery bank, I think your voltages are quite low.  Full charge should be about 25.5V, and to get there, you have to drive close to 30V   For 80% (Bulk only, no Absorb) at least 25V - see this chart


    To understand some more about charging, this covers some of the basics
    http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_the_lead_acid_battery      I think you are damaging your cells by not getting into the upper % of the charge, and could be getting some sulfation / loss of capacity. 
    Good luck



    Some good info in the above but the chart may be low for your specific batteries; it is for mine which are Exide 12 volt. So you will need to go to the your battery manufactures web site for your specific battery(s)
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