Electric Gate Opener

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GreenMachine
GreenMachine Registered Users Posts: 13
Hi, I am new to this site and to the world of solar.

I have an electric front gate that uses a 1/2 hp motor that draws 4.3 amps. The gate is in use a few times a day. I searched under garage door openers for some parallel info but did not find much.

Could someone tell me exactly what I would need to adequately power my gate.

thanks

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  • mike95490
    mike95490 Solar Expert Posts: 9,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Re: Electric Gate Opener
    Hi, I am new to this site and to the world of solar.

    I have an electric front gate that uses a 1/2 hp motor that draws 4.3 amps. The gate is in use a few times a day. I searched under garage door openers for some parallel info but did not find much.

    Could someone tell me exactly what I would need to adequately power my gate.

    thanks

    1) If you have electric power going to it now, anything you do will cost you WAY more than doing nothing. Solar ain't cheap.

    2) If you want a green star, you can install some solar PV panels, and a Grid Tie inverter, and they will replace the power your gate uses. Cost, 2KW $5,500
    http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/wind-sun/2kw-gridtie.pdf plus labor and local fees
    How many electrons can you buy form the power company for that price? 10 year payback, 20+ year lifetime.

    3) if you have to install
    200W PV, $500
    mounting rack, $200
    AGM 100AH 12V battery, $280
    charge controller $80
    doghouse for it all and
    inverter, with high SURGE for motor start $1,000
    inverter really sucks because the high current ones, eat a lot of amps just at idle waiting for the gate to open/close.
    Powerfab top of pole PV mount | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
    || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
    || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

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  • AntronX
    AntronX Solar Expert Posts: 462 ✭✭
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    Re: Electric Gate Opener

    Try to replace AC motor with 12V DC motor. A gate should not use much energy to be opened few times a day, so small 50W panel should be enough. Powering AC motor will be not as easy.
  • BB.
    BB. Super Moderators, Administrators Posts: 33,439 admin
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    Re: Electric Gate Opener

    Here is a detailed thread about an off-grid solar powered gate opener.

    -Bill
    Near San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset
  • lorelec
    lorelec Solar Expert Posts: 200 ✭✭
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    Re: Electric Gate Opener

    I have a "Mighty Mule" brand gate opener that uses a small (<10w) panel and a 12v gel cell. No grid power at all. The battery lasts nearly forever. It's totally unnecessary to spend thousands of dollars on solar to open your gate. It would be much cheaper to just lay out the money to buy a pre-engineered solution like the Mighty Mule. Most farm supply and home improvement retailers carry them or something like them.

    Marc
  • mike95490
    mike95490 Solar Expert Posts: 9,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Re: Electric Gate Opener

    Duh. I should have mentioned it earlier, converting to a 12V DC motor will save lots of grief.
    Powerfab top of pole PV mount | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
    || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
    || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

    solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
    gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister ,

  • Dave Angelini
    Dave Angelini Solar Expert Posts: 6,746 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
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    Re: Electric Gate Opener

    I use Amazing Gates.com They will build a beautiful gate, deliver to the site and help with an easy install. Runs off a Kirkland group 29 and a 30 watt panel.
    "we go where power lines don't" Sierra Nevada mountain area
       htps://offgridsolar1.com/
    E-mail offgridsolar@sti.net

  • dwh
    dwh Solar Expert Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭
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    Re: Electric Gate Opener

    Most of the swing gate "screw drive type" gate openers are 12v.

    There are some sliding gate "chain drive type" gate openers that are 12v.

    I don't know of any of the swing gate "lever arm type" openers that are 12v, but there's gotta be one out there somewhere.

    GTO is pretty much the best known brand name:

    http://www.gtopro.com/gto-gate-openers.htm


    A *lot* of gate opener systems have "battery backup", which usually means it's a 12v system with a 120v power supply. It runs off the battery, and the power supply just keeps it charged. It's not a big deal to charge the battery with solar instead of a 120v charger. 10w of solar will usually supply enough, but for a busy gate you sometimes need 20w.
  • GreenMachine
    GreenMachine Registered Users Posts: 13
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    Re: Electric Gate Opener

    Thanks for all of the replies!

    My yard is currently off the grid but will not be for ever. So I was thinking to go with an ac 110v gate since I would eventually have power. But it appears that the cost is way too high to pull this off using solar.

    Thus, I am going with an Apollo dc gate. Thanks for helping.
  • dwh
    dwh Solar Expert Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭
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    Re: Electric Gate Opener

    Hrmm. I see that Apollo sells a lever arm type opener that is 12v. I knew there had to be some out there.

    I also see this neat little doohickey - The ASC - a waterproof, UL listed, "Modified PWM" charge controller, up to 16a@12v, American made with a 10 year limited warranty:

    http://apollogate.com/c-9-SolarPanelsChargersRegulators.aspx

    http://www.specialtyconcepts.com/special_home.html


    Normally, I wouldn't post links to NAWS competitors, but since it appears that NAWS doesn't carry this line, I guess it'll slide by.

    It looks like this item (the ASC) sells for between 45 - 85 bucks depending on voltage/amperage and whether you get it with "low voltage disconnect / generator start" relay, remote temp sensor or voltage adjustment potentiometer.


    Specialty Concepts web site looks a bit out of date, but it seems that they actually make a full line of smaller charge controllers:

    http://www.oksolar.com/solar_controllers/asc_solar_controllers.html



    http://www.specialtyconcepts.com/issues.html

    "WHAT IS LFCS PULSE-CHARGING™

    One major problem with PWM charging schemes is that they opperate [sic] at high frequencies. This can cause interference in various nearby radio devices. It is very difficult to eradicate such interference.

    Specialty Concept's solid-state regulators use a modified PWM charging technique, known as LFCS™ (Low-Frequency, Controlled-Slope). Instead of operating at a fixed frequency, these regulators switch at a frequency determined by the batteries [sic] state-of-charge (SOC). The higher the SOC, the lower the frequency. Usually, many seconds occur between each cycle when the battery is not fully charged. Near full charge, each cycle can take many minutes.

    Additionally, the rise and fall times of the switching element (the shunt transistor) are controlled so that they do not generate harmonics that can cause additional radio interference."
  • GreenMachine
    GreenMachine Registered Users Posts: 13
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    Re: Electric Gate Opener

    Ok...another question,

    Remember my yard is off grid.

    I need an air compressor and was thinking about getting one that was gasoline powered. But this will be quite noisy.

    Would a DC powered air compressor be easier and cheaper to power through solar panels than an AC compressor?
  • BB.
    BB. Super Moderators, Administrators Posts: 33,439 admin
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    Re: Electric Gate Opener

    What sized air compressor? What is the use (typical shop tool, or for pumping water/airating a pond). Sunny times only, or other times too.

    Will you be using it 9+ months of the year, or only randomly.

    How much is the cost of fuel for running your compressor when needed?

    My first guess is that solar well be a very expensive solution.

    -Bill
    Near San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset
  • mike95490
    mike95490 Solar Expert Posts: 9,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Re: Electric Gate Opener
    ....

    Would a DC powered air compressor be easier and cheaper to power through solar panels than an AC compressor?


    First, how much air do you need? Will a 2 gallon pancake compressor do, or do you need a 40 gallon 3 hp compressor ?

    The inverter needs to have about 3x the run power as the compressor requires, to start it. Maybe a little less if you get a "unloader valve" so the compressor always starts against 0 psi. What's the inverter going to cost you (pure sine, since you are running a largish motor) ?

    What would a gas power unit cost ?
    Powerfab top of pole PV mount | Listeroid 6/1 w/st5 gen head | XW6048 inverter/chgr | Iota 48V/15A charger | Morningstar 60A MPPT | 48V, 800A NiFe Battery (in series)| 15, Evergreen 205w "12V" PV array on pole | Midnight ePanel | Grundfos 10 SO5-9 with 3 wire Franklin Electric motor (1/2hp 240V 1ph ) on a timer for 3 hr noontime run - Runs off PV ||
    || Midnight Classic 200 | 10, Evergreen 200w in a 160VOC array ||
    || VEC1093 12V Charger | Maha C401 aa/aaa Charger | SureSine | Sunsaver MPPT 15A

    solar: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Solar
    gen: http://tinyurl.com/LMR-Lister ,

  • BB.
    BB. Super Moderators, Administrators Posts: 33,439 admin
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    Re: Electric Gate Opener

    That is a big spread... The gasoline one is about 5x the CFM as the first 120 VAC compressor.

    The DC ones are around 1/2 way between the first two. And (at least the one I looked at) appears to be a series wound DC motor--which would seem to indicate it is a brushed motor... For heavy use, you might have to replace the brushes, as often as, every few months (just a wild guess). And the commutator will not last forever either (think of a standard electric hand held drill motor or older vacuum cleaner motor).

    In the end, it all depends on how much air you need and what kind of reliability you are after.

    You may want the gasoline powered if you want lots of air at anytime--just for the cost of fuel. (maybe a couple of hours for every 1 gallon of gas?).

    Or, perhaps a good quality smaller 120 VAC air compressor (with a continuous running option using an unloader valve to reduce starting current) and a nice generator set... That way you can both air and electricity.

    Back when I was a kid, I made up a compressor out of used components (a used compressor pump and an old Argon Tank). An AC motor that was on a belt and a hinge. I would lift the motor to let it get up to speed, and I put an unloader valve on the compressor--all so the electric motor would keep up to speed and not kill the small 1,800 watt B&S generator with starting loads. Worked pretty well to run a paint sprayer.

    I don't think I would use the DC units unless it was for very occasional/light duty use.

    My two cents.

    -Bill
    Near San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset