When to equalize

I have 2 6 volt gc batterys in series. 1 reads 1.275 other 1 reads 1.260. What's the recomended spread for eq.
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  • EstragonEstragon Posts: 2,846Registered Users ✭✭✭✭✭
    From what I've read, some recommendations are time based (eg. monthly), and the SG based ones seem to be ~ 1-2pt variance. At 1.5pt variance, I'd probably go ahead and do an EQ assuming you haven't done one recently. Check water level, but don't fill right up (to avoid spillage)

    I check mine each long weekend, so about every 3 months, and normally have to do at least one round (2hrs) of EQ.
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  • mcgivormcgivor Posts: 2,212Solar Expert ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are many schools of thought regarding equalization, some say once per month, others recommend every 6 months  others say when the SG differs >  0.03 between cells, the latter is probably the best, in my opinion. Equalization is a stressful event for the batteries, but it is sometimes nesesary to perform, the SG is probably the most accurate means of determining what is actually happening. Keeping records is important to determine a trend, we all do that right? No we respond to a crises, it's good to hear you are taking readings, but it would appear the spread is minor, there is always difference between batteries, even if produced on the same day. Keep an eye on things with regular testing. Most battery failure is the result of undecharging, what are your current settings and battery manufacturers recommendations? 
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  • mountainmanmountainman Posts: 125Registered Users ✭✭
    Specs on my batteries, don't include voltage or sg numbers or frequency  on eq. Other than 1-3 hrs or until sg quits rising.
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  • mcgivormcgivor Posts: 2,212Solar Expert ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mine don't have any recommendations either, so I used Trojan specifications as a guide, tweaking voltage to see what works best, it seems their recommendations are pretty accurate for GC batteries, my preference is to run hot, by extending bulk at 29.6V for an hour before reducing  to 29.2V for absorption for 24V nominal , or 14.8V and 14.6V for 12V nominal. It really depends on nightly loads, lightly loaded may require a less aggressive charging regime, but that's what works for me.
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  • mountainmanmountainman Posts: 125Registered Users ✭✭
    edited June 6 #6
    Just found this charge at c/10 at 2.583 per cell for 3 to 4 hrs maximum charge time 10 hrs. 15.5 volts charging?? I've been charging at  2.42
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  • EstragonEstragon Posts: 2,846Registered Users ✭✭✭✭✭
    Mine are 2.55vpc - 15.3 for 12v bank. IIRC, setting is as recommended by US Battery.
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  • mcgivormcgivor Posts: 2,212Solar Expert ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just found this charge at c/10 at 2.583 per cell for 3 to 4 hrs maximum charge time 10 hrs
    Specifications for your actual batteries?  Generally a C20 is used as a guide 15.49V is getting pretty close to EQ, proceed with caution. 
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  • mountainmanmountainman Posts: 125Registered Users ✭✭
    edited June 6 #9
    Friend just sent me the specs 2.40 bulk 2.40 absorb  2.55 finish charge terminate after 3hrs and 2.55 eq. I'm new please explain. I no of bulk, absorb, float and equalize. What is finish?
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  • EstragonEstragon Posts: 2,846Registered Users ✭✭✭✭✭
    Finish is a sort of mini-EQ.
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  • mountainmanmountainman Posts: 125Registered Users ✭✭
    I wonder is this Every day? 
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  • EstragonEstragon Posts: 2,846Registered Users ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think so (or however often the battery is recharged).

    I prefer to set my Vabs a bit higher (2.45 vpc) and just do EQ as needed, and it seems to be working out okay for me. Like @mcgivor said, EQ is hard on the battery.
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  • mountainmanmountainman Posts: 125Registered Users ✭✭
    My first thoughts were you set up solar and use the power. I see now it's a bit more complicated. Thanks
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  • mcgivormcgivor Posts: 2,212Solar Expert ✭✭✭✭✭
    There is always a learning curve, some controllers have advanced settings which allow custom setpoints, such as boost or finish, which are very similar in concept. Lower priced units generally do not have such features, but there is always a way around, by setting voltages a little higher. The learning curve involves paying attention to all the parameters, depth of discharge, loads, charging, equalization etcetera, there is no set rules but rather guidelines, what works for one may not nesesarally work for another. To be frank, assume the first batteries as sacrificial, many loose the first bank prematurely, mostly to cronic undercharging, if you manage to get it right the first time, consider that a bonus. Creating a signature or posting  exactly what equipment you have, will alow others to make more accurate suggestions.
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  • MrM1MrM1 Posts: 284Registered Users ✭✭✭
    edited June 7 #15
    I have to set my Vabs to 2.61 vpc -  :o - or my Trojan L16 bank does not reach 1.277 on all cells.  Its not that it cant do it at 2.54pvc, its just that if I set the Vabs lower than 2.61 the CC will drone on at 2-3 amps at the end of the charge until it either times out or runs out of daylight and then I sometimes dont reach 100% SG.  And yes,  2.-3 amps is closer to .5% of the battery AH,  but if I terminate at 2% I am no where near close to 100% SG.   So yes there is a lot to it and yes there is a lot of trial and error getting it dialed in.

    But I got to wonder,  is 2.61 like a mini EQ ... or is it really hard on the batteries to do that hi a Vab daily?
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  • EstragonEstragon Posts: 2,846Registered Users ✭✭✭✭✭
    2.55v is the recommended EQ voltage for my L16s (US Battery), and seems to work. 2.45 for daily absorb to ~1% of C seems to mostly work, but I do have to EQ every few months.

    Maybe there's something in plate alloys or construction that means some batteries need higher voltages than others?

    Do your batteries gas lots and heat with Vabs at 2.61? Using lots of water?
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  • MrM1MrM1 Posts: 284Registered Users ✭✭✭
    edited June 7 #17
    I use about a quart or less of water per month for 12 cells in the L16s at 2.61vpc.  The temp of the batteries never goes above 33C (and that rarely and only for the last few hours of charging) even in ambient temps of 35+C

    When I tried charging at 30.5 Vabs or 2.54 I never used any water,  although the cells were gassing slightly. 
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  • EstragonEstragon Posts: 2,846Registered Users ✭✭✭✭✭
    Temp not too high IMHO. My 12 L16s (36 cells) use 1-2 gallons per 6 month season, so a bit less but in the same ballpark. Sounds like the higher absorb voltage is what your bank needs to me.
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