Help finding one replacement solar panel

I bought a 10kw system a few years back and it appears one of my panels is caving in. I'm not sure what happened but regardless I need to replace it. I built a steel structure that my panels slide into so the size needs to be exact or the replacement won't slide into my structure. I was hoping I could get some feedback on a good replacement option since I can't find this panel anymore. Thanks in advance for your time.


http://pvpower.com/uploads/products/Trina_PA14_ss.pdf

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  • Dave AngeliniDave Angelini Solar Expert Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭✭
    All  three dimensions exact?
    "we go where power lines don't" Sierra Mountains near Mariposa/Yosemite CA
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  • HorseflyHorsefly Registered Users Posts: 251 ✭✭✭
    These appear to be the same physical dimensions

    https://www.altestore.com/store/solar-panels/seraphim-solar-panels-p40805/#SEP345SRP3456MA

    but until the OP says what the Vmp and Imp of the old panel is (and how the panels are configured in terms of serial / parallel) it's pretty hard to suggest real drop-in replacements.
    Off-grid cabin: 6 x Canadian Solar CSK-280M PV panels, Schneider XW-MPPT60-150 Charge Controller, Schneider CSW4024 Inverter/Charger, Schneider SCP, 4 x Vmax XTR12-155 12V, 155AH batteries in a 2x2 24V 310AH bank.
  • Raj174Raj174 Solar Expert Posts: 411 ✭✭✭✭
    12 x 300W Renogy PV, MNE175DR-TR epanel modified, MN Classic 150, Outback Radian GS4048A, Mate3, 51.2V 195AH HI Power LiFePO4 no BMS, 4000W gen.
  • PhotowhitPhotowhit Solar Expert Posts: 4,201 ✭✭✭✭
    Where are you located? I might buy 20 of the utility version of that panel... 270 watt same dimensions. I'm in Central Missouri.
    Home system 4000 watt (Evergreen) array standing, with 2 Midnite Classic Lites,  Midnite E-panel, Prosine 1800 and Exeltech 1100, ForkLift battery. Off grid for @13 of last 14 years. 1000 watts being added to current CC, @2700 watts to be added with an additional CC.
  • HorseflyHorsefly Registered Users Posts: 251 ✭✭✭
    How do you know they are the 275W?  The link he gave is to a spec sheet of a family of 5 different panels, with different Vmp and Imp ratings (based on how they tested after manufacturing, I assume).  We'd need to know the specific ratings of the panel he's trying to replace to know what is appropriate to replace it with.
    Off-grid cabin: 6 x Canadian Solar CSK-280M PV panels, Schneider XW-MPPT60-150 Charge Controller, Schneider CSW4024 Inverter/Charger, Schneider SCP, 4 x Vmax XTR12-155 12V, 155AH batteries in a 2x2 24V 310AH bank.
  • PhotowhitPhotowhit Solar Expert Posts: 4,201 ✭✭✭✭
    I understand that, that's why I said what the wattage is!

    BTW-270watts, and it's likely in the range to use with what he has, within 5% would be @ 255-285watts...
    Home system 4000 watt (Evergreen) array standing, with 2 Midnite Classic Lites,  Midnite E-panel, Prosine 1800 and Exeltech 1100, ForkLift battery. Off grid for @13 of last 14 years. 1000 watts being added to current CC, @2700 watts to be added with an additional CC.
  • HorseflyHorsefly Registered Users Posts: 251 ✭✭✭
    Sorry @Photowhit - I was replying to @Raj174. You and I replied essentially at the same time, so I didn't mean for my reply to show up after yours. 

    Still, your point is valid. It may be that any in the family would be OK, but I'd still like to see the specs on the specific panel he has. Any mismatch will mean a loss of production, so it's better he at least know that going in.
    Off-grid cabin: 6 x Canadian Solar CSK-280M PV panels, Schneider XW-MPPT60-150 Charge Controller, Schneider CSW4024 Inverter/Charger, Schneider SCP, 4 x Vmax XTR12-155 12V, 155AH batteries in a 2x2 24V 310AH bank.
  • WhittakerJWhittakerJ Solar Expert Posts: 66 ✭✭
    Here is the exact model. I just need the height and width to be the same as they slide in.

    TSM-275PA14 , Qty: 36
  • PhotowhitPhotowhit Solar Expert Posts: 4,201 ✭✭✭✭
    Here is the exact model. I just need the height and width to be the same as they slide in.

    TSM-275PA14 , Qty: 36

    I guess you just need one now, still haven't told me where you live, but the price has gone up on the lot I was looking at. Here is a person who has some TSM-270PC panels, these are either the European (he says) or Power company distribution of the same panels. They have identical or near identical specs, his are 270 so you might see a very minor difference with through put of 1-2%. He had a bunch for sale, some even cheaper in 20's but he's mostly sold out. Ask him what he would take for 1. Might also search for the 'PC' version of the panel, you might also ask your inspector if this would be ok with or without UL/Etl.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/20-270-WATT-SOLAR-PANELS-NEW-A-GRADE-GRID-TIE-FACTORY-PALLET-LIMITED-UL-LISTED-/272838419784?hash=item3f866fe548:g:Ux8AAOSwqKNZoafx

    Specs, please note they don't say ETL or UL! (I would ask for a close up photo of the back of the panel info sheet); 

    http://www.phoenixsolar-group.com/dms/produkte/module/pdf/en/Trina_datasheet_Feb-2012-EN_TSM-PC14/datasheet_Feb 2012 EN_TSM-PC14.pdf
    Home system 4000 watt (Evergreen) array standing, with 2 Midnite Classic Lites,  Midnite E-panel, Prosine 1800 and Exeltech 1100, ForkLift battery. Off grid for @13 of last 14 years. 1000 watts being added to current CC, @2700 watts to be added with an additional CC.
  • WhittakerJWhittakerJ Solar Expert Posts: 66 ✭✭
    Horsefly said:
    These appear to be the same physical dimensions

    https://www.altestore.com/store/solar-panels/seraphim-solar-panels-p40805/#SEP345SRP3456MA

    but until the OP says what the Vmp and Imp of the old panel is (and how the panels are configured in terms of serial / parallel) it's pretty hard to suggest real drop-in replacements.
    Now that I think about it really I just need the 77" the other two are not relevant. 

    I also need help determining the other power variables to make sure there won't be any issues.

    Attached is my 3-line and the specs.


  • WhittakerJWhittakerJ Solar Expert Posts: 66 ✭✭
    Photowhit said:
    Where are you located? I might buy 20 of the utility version of that panel... 270 watt same dimensions. I'm in Central Missouri.
    I'm in Mesa, AZ.
  • PhotowhitPhotowhit Solar Expert Posts: 4,201 ✭✭✭✭
    Home system 4000 watt (Evergreen) array standing, with 2 Midnite Classic Lites,  Midnite E-panel, Prosine 1800 and Exeltech 1100, ForkLift battery. Off grid for @13 of last 14 years. 1000 watts being added to current CC, @2700 watts to be added with an additional CC.
  • WhittakerJWhittakerJ Solar Expert Posts: 66 ✭✭
    Photowhit said:
    Thanks I missed this one while searching. Bought from them. Thanks again!
  • WhittakerJWhittakerJ Solar Expert Posts: 66 ✭✭
    I just got this back.  I guess I'm back to square one just looking for a compatible panel. Anyone have any other thoughts?

    "Sir good morning....
    This panel did not ship because the panels were damage from falling debris in the warehouse....
    Im sorry for the late notification, my warehouse had tried to find other similar panels but to no avail.
    I think I will need to cancel this order unless I can source a panel with the same spec and pricing...
    Your credit card has NOT been charged...."

    Marshall Duskes 


  • PhotowhitPhotowhit Solar Expert Posts: 4,201 ✭✭✭✭
    Home system 4000 watt (Evergreen) array standing, with 2 Midnite Classic Lites,  Midnite E-panel, Prosine 1800 and Exeltech 1100, ForkLift battery. Off grid for @13 of last 14 years. 1000 watts being added to current CC, @2700 watts to be added with an additional CC.
  • WhittakerJWhittakerJ Solar Expert Posts: 66 ✭✭
    So I'm learning a lesson that buying one panel with freight shipping is proving to be extremely cost prohibitive. I'm located in AZ. Does anyone know the best way of just getting one panel?  I found one on Ebay but the shipping alone is $320. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Brand-New-Trina-Solar-270-W-Watt-24V-UL-Polycrystalline-PV-Solar-Panels-/311954702930?epid=2225826513&hash=item48a1f30252:g:0l8AAOSwB-1YzF7H 
  • BB.BB. Super Moderators Posts: 26,768 admin
    Yep, that is a problem. Shipping and insurance costs (plus packing a single panel to a pallet) are a killer for large format panels (less than full pallet purchase).

    Panels that are under ~140 Watts can usually ship by UPS/Bus/etc.... Panels >~175 Watts need to go by truck.

    If you can find a solar installer near you, and you can use the ones they install--Perhaps you can sweet talk them into ordering an extra panel or two for you.

    If you are close enough to Flagstaff, our host may be able to set you up with panels with reduced shipping costs (i.e., you pick them up locally). Perhaps a bit more for panel price, but much less for shipping costs.

    http://solar-electric.com/

    -Bill
    Near San Francisco California: 3.5kWatt Grid Tied Solar power system+small backup genset
  • PhotowhitPhotowhit Solar Expert Posts: 4,201 ✭✭✭✭
    So none of those suppliers had them in stock, or were they just not willing to ship 1 panel?
    Home system 4000 watt (Evergreen) array standing, with 2 Midnite Classic Lites,  Midnite E-panel, Prosine 1800 and Exeltech 1100, ForkLift battery. Off grid for @13 of last 14 years. 1000 watts being added to current CC, @2700 watts to be added with an additional CC.
  • WhittakerJWhittakerJ Solar Expert Posts: 66 ✭✭
    Photowhit said:
    So none of those suppliers had them in stock, or were they just not willing to ship 1 panel?
    They would ship 1 panel but I would be paying like $500 just for one due to freight costs.
  • Dave AngeliniDave Angelini Solar Expert Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭✭
    You have to pay it then or design something else. 
    "we go where power lines don't" Sierra Mountains near Mariposa/Yosemite CA
     http://members.sti.net/offgridsolar/
    E-mail offgridsolar@sti.net

  • PhotowhitPhotowhit Solar Expert Posts: 4,201 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 25 #22
    Try calling this guy, he has some Epolly 285 watt panels they are 1953mm wide or just shy of 77" They are 72 cell panels and should work very well with you setup, and if not you're not out a ton of money. Note, if you don't have pressure mounts the mounting holes may be different. They are both 72 cell poly panels, Have no clue if the colors will be close, but here is a spec sheet (panels will vary a bit individually)



    https://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/for/d/solar-panels-brand-new-great/6301803759.html
    Home system 4000 watt (Evergreen) array standing, with 2 Midnite Classic Lites,  Midnite E-panel, Prosine 1800 and Exeltech 1100, ForkLift battery. Off grid for @13 of last 14 years. 1000 watts being added to current CC, @2700 watts to be added with an additional CC.
  • PhotowhitPhotowhit Solar Expert Posts: 4,201 ✭✭✭✭
    Got to thinking about it, and just needing panels in specs I understand, but the 77" may be wrong, I don't think they can be mounted only on the short side (which would require the same length, so width likely needs to be the same. I'll see if I can't pull specs for each.
    Home system 4000 watt (Evergreen) array standing, with 2 Midnite Classic Lites,  Midnite E-panel, Prosine 1800 and Exeltech 1100, ForkLift battery. Off grid for @13 of last 14 years. 1000 watts being added to current CC, @2700 watts to be added with an additional CC.
  • PhotowhitPhotowhit Solar Expert Posts: 4,201 ✭✭✭✭

    Specs for the Eppoly ;
    https://www.enfsolar.com/Product/pdf/Crystalline/5411607c12745.pdf

    Module Dimension 1953x997x50mm

    Specs for Trina;
    http://pvpower.com/uploads/products/Trina_PA14_ss.pdf

    1956 x 992 x 46mm

    With 5 mm difference in width it might not work, being taller won't help either but could be worked with by adjusting the base on existing panels, the 'paw' across the top would need to be flat for even pressure. You'll need to look at what tolerances you can deal with here. 2.5mm per side might be okay, 5mm total wider might be okay, but it'll need to be hands on...
    Home system 4000 watt (Evergreen) array standing, with 2 Midnite Classic Lites,  Midnite E-panel, Prosine 1800 and Exeltech 1100, ForkLift battery. Off grid for @13 of last 14 years. 1000 watts being added to current CC, @2700 watts to be added with an additional CC.
  • PhotowhitPhotowhit Solar Expert Posts: 4,201 ✭✭✭✭
    BTW- just so you don't freak out, Multi and Poly are the same thing, same type of solar cells.
    Home system 4000 watt (Evergreen) array standing, with 2 Midnite Classic Lites,  Midnite E-panel, Prosine 1800 and Exeltech 1100, ForkLift battery. Off grid for @13 of last 14 years. 1000 watts being added to current CC, @2700 watts to be added with an additional CC.
  • PhotowhitPhotowhit Solar Expert Posts: 4,201 ✭✭✭✭
    The ones I linked to are a good size and power match. I've discussed the minor size differences above;

    https://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/for/6301803759.html

    These are also 72 cell panels but not enough info to see it's specs but 290 and his quoted size is similar at 39" x 77"
    They are likely "Yingli" panels, perhaps these;
    http://www.yinglisolar.com/assets/uploads/products/downloads/2013_YGE_U_72_lr.pdf

    If so they are Dimensions (L/W/H) 77.56 in (1970 mm) / 38.98 in (990 mm) / 1.97 in (50 mm)

    https://showlow.craigslist.org/ele/6312760355.html

    The others are 60 cell panels and not a good match.
    Home system 4000 watt (Evergreen) array standing, with 2 Midnite Classic Lites,  Midnite E-panel, Prosine 1800 and Exeltech 1100, ForkLift battery. Off grid for @13 of last 14 years. 1000 watts being added to current CC, @2700 watts to be added with an additional CC.
  • PhotowhitPhotowhit Solar Expert Posts: 4,201 ✭✭✭✭
    The Yingli, if the correct panels, are also Poly panels. 
    Home system 4000 watt (Evergreen) array standing, with 2 Midnite Classic Lites,  Midnite E-panel, Prosine 1800 and Exeltech 1100, ForkLift battery. Off grid for @13 of last 14 years. 1000 watts being added to current CC, @2700 watts to be added with an additional CC.
  • WhittakerJWhittakerJ Solar Expert Posts: 66 ✭✭
    Photowhit said:
    The ones I linked to are a good size and power match. I've discussed the minor size differences above;

    https://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/for/6301803759.html

    These are also 72 cell panels but not enough info to see it's specs but 290 and his quoted size is similar at 39" x 77"
    They are likely "Yingli" panels, perhaps these;
    http://www.yinglisolar.com/assets/uploads/products/downloads/2013_YGE_U_72_lr.pdf

    If so they are Dimensions (L/W/H) 77.56 in (1970 mm) / 38.98 in (990 mm) / 1.97 in (50 mm)

    https://showlow.craigslist.org/ele/6312760355.html

    The others are 60 cell panels and not a good match.
    Ok I'll try to get my hands on the one you referenced. I did find a almost identical match in Norco, CA for very cheap on Ebay in which I think I can have a friend pickup. I know it's slightly different but can you confirm this one will have no issues? It looks almost identical.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/311954702930

  • PhotowhitPhotowhit Solar Expert Posts: 4,201 ✭✭✭✭
    Here's a data sheet,
    http://www.solarmaxsystems.net/datasheets/TSM-270-295-PA14.PDF

    Module dimension 1956 × 992 × 46mm so same as what you have.
    I think it's the utility version of the one you have. Just got in and have to head back out. I'll look closer later. If it is for utility instals it might not be labeled, that might be a problem for your utility.
    Home system 4000 watt (Evergreen) array standing, with 2 Midnite Classic Lites,  Midnite E-panel, Prosine 1800 and Exeltech 1100, ForkLift battery. Off grid for @13 of last 14 years. 1000 watts being added to current CC, @2700 watts to be added with an additional CC.
  • PhotowhitPhotowhit Solar Expert Posts: 4,201 ✭✭✭✭
    So I just got back, and looks like this is what you were originally looking for "

    TSM-PA14-270W" but the label is 275 watt it should work fine. It was the PC's that may not have the correct labels for your inspector.

    Home system 4000 watt (Evergreen) array standing, with 2 Midnite Classic Lites,  Midnite E-panel, Prosine 1800 and Exeltech 1100, ForkLift battery. Off grid for @13 of last 14 years. 1000 watts being added to current CC, @2700 watts to be added with an additional CC.
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