Led lights

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  • SteveK
    SteveK Solar Expert Posts: 387 ✭✭
    Re: Led lights

    We've been using these for over a year. Just outfitted the rest of the fixtures with them. We have 17 total, some on X10 circuits too. We love them! They work exactly as advertised. They were ~$25 last year and now they are just $7. Home Depot. http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-202188260/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

    Then I just added 13 recessed lighting cans to the kitchen and went with these beauties. We tried all of the diffenet brands and models of these types. This model was best by far and they dim extremely well with a $20 dimmer purchased at the Depot too. Only beef is that we paid $35 per for eight of them...3 weeks later they reduced the price to $25 per. http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-202240932/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

    LED lighting has matured. The color is excellent. They are reliable and are now fairly cost effective to buy. We are very happy. like Xringer said they do momentarily flicker when the fridge fires up or the heat pump water heater kicks in but it is minor in our opinion...
  • RandomJoe
    RandomJoe Solar Expert Posts: 472 ✭✭✭
    Re: Led lights
    SteveK wrote: »
    They were ~$25 last year and now they are just $7. Home Depot. http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-202188260/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

    and

    Only beef is that we paid $35 per for eight of them...3 weeks later they reduced the price to $25 per. http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-202240932/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

    Strange... Do prices vary that much across the country? When I pull those two bulbs up using your links, I get $9.97 and $39.97 respectively! (The second even has a big "new lower price" logo as well!)
  • RCinFLA
    RCinFLA Solar Expert Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭✭
    Re: Led lights

    If you have some of these LED lights and a Kill-A-Watt meter, it would be informative if you could post some of the watts, VA's or PF you are seeing with the bulb.

    If it has a good PF then it definitely has more then just a capacitor ballast.
  • RandomJoe
    RandomJoe Solar Expert Posts: 472 ✭✭✭
    Re: Led lights

    Finally figured out where my KaW was hiding and measured the bulbs I have:

    Philips 8W warm-white LED bulb - can't find a link on HD's website! They were still in the store last time I was there, but the 12W ones had been price-reduced to within a few dollars of it so maybe they dropped it?

    120.6V
    0.07A
    7W
    8VA
    0.83PF

    Philips 12W warm-white LED bulb -
    http://www.homedepot.com/Philips/h_d1/N-5yc1vZ15b/R-202530170/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

    120.9V
    0.12A
    11W
    14VA
    0.79PF - ick...

    This is the bulb that takes a split-second to come on after flipping the switch.

    I also have the Philips 2W candelabra-style, but it's on the front porch. Probably about the same...

    Just for giggles, since it's sitting here, the nVision "60W equivalent" CFL that was in the portable lamp to begin with:

    120.7V
    0.18A
    13W
    22VA
    0.60PF - lovely!

    Strangely, that's lousy compared to the first CFLs I had - Commercial Electric - which performed considerably better in the PF area.
  • SteveK
    SteveK Solar Expert Posts: 387 ✭✭
    Re: Led lights

    I have measured the bulbs I listed above. They come out measuring the same wattage they are rated for. Very happy with these. I use some X10 circuits in our home. They will not work reliably with the CFL's (will not switch off) but the LED's work fine.
  • SteveK
    SteveK Solar Expert Posts: 387 ✭✭
    Re: Led lights
    RandomJoe wrote: »
    Strange... Do prices vary that much across the country? When I pull those two bulbs up using your links, I get $9.97 and $39.97 respectively! (The second even has a big "new lower price" logo as well!)

    I'm not sure? When I open those links they are at 6.99 and 24.99 respectively. Sheesh, I could make some money here!...heh.
  • RandomJoe
    RandomJoe Solar Expert Posts: 472 ✭✭✭
    Re: Led lights
    SteveK wrote: »
    I use some X10 circuits in our home. They will not work reliably with the CFL's (will not switch off) but the LED's work fine.

    Cool, I'll have to try my X10 modules with them. With mine, when I tried CFLs they went off and on okay but the CFL would flash every few seconds when off! Not at all what I wanted in my bedside light... :p

    I have the "firecracker" (think that's what they call it) serial port dongle to turn lights on/off by computer, and my primary issue is with range - some days it works fine all over the house, some days I can't get something in the next room to switch off!
  • XRinger
    XRinger Solar Expert Posts: 529 ✭✭✭
    Re: Led lights
    RandomJoe wrote: »
    Cool, I'll have to try my X10 modules with them. With mine, when I tried CFLs they went off and on okay but the CFL would flash every few seconds when off! Not at all what I wanted in my bedside light... :p

    I have the "firecracker" (think that's what they call it) serial port dongle to turn lights on/off by computer, and my primary issue is with range - some days it works fine all over the house, some days I can't get something in the next room to switch off!


    I was looking at a "firecracker" gismo. Seems like most folks would just stick it on the back of their PC..

    IMHO, the VHF (310mHz?) transmitter inside the dongle is not going to work very well, sitting 1" from a desktop PC's back-plate.

    If the plug-in RF receiver/ translator unit wasn't in the same room,
    I would use an RS232 M-F extension cord to lift that transmitter/dongle up into some open space.
    Let it's little antenna work properly.. 8)
  • SteveK
    SteveK Solar Expert Posts: 387 ✭✭
    Re: Led lights

    Realized something today. The power was out so I needed a droplight. The droplight had a CFL in it. I plugged it into an X10 switched outlet and the circuit switched on and off fine. Pulled the bulb from the droplight and put it into a socket on the same circuit...darn thing won't switch off.

    Must be when the ballast is close to the romex it interferes with the signal. Cool I thought.

    I've seen those controllers for the PC but haven't sprung for one yet. Everything here is 4 circuit switches. Those controllers sound great for automation. The wireless stuff was more than I could afford at the time... Someday..:D
  • RandomJoe
    RandomJoe Solar Expert Posts: 472 ✭✭✭
    Re: Led lights

    I actually got my initial stuff nearly free! Years ago (over 10 now?) X10 had some deal where they gave you a lamp module with receiver, the button pad, and firecracker as a promo deal. I then bought a couple of dimmer modules from Radio Shack, but they went flaky on me - press the bright/dim buttons, and they wouldn't stop at one step - just kept going to full bright or full off! Odd...

    Someone wrote a program for Linux called 'bottlerocket' that I use with the firecracker to turn lights on and off via cron jobs (time-based scheduling).

    I don't know if the current stuff uses something different, but I thought the wireless stuff I have was much lower in frequency. I know my firecracker isn't a proper transmitter in the strictest sense - it's just a coil of wire connected to the RTS/CTS lines on the serial port. The program toggles the control lines at the right rate which generates an RF field in the coil!

    And yes, it works MUCH better to have it up high away from the computer. Even then, lately I've had the issues I mentioned. Mine may just be going bad after all these years, or perhaps the USB-serial adapter I now have to use isn't producing enough voltage on the control pins so the signal is much weaker. But - again - sometimes it'll work just fine for a few months!
  • XRinger
    XRinger Solar Expert Posts: 529 ✭✭✭
    Re: Led lights

    The firecracker thing I was looking at, has an RF transmitter inside.
    This doc www.cainetworks.com/products/webcontrol/WebControlX10.pdf
    shows the hack needed to wire up the Firecracker dongle and/or a keychain remote (310 mHz), on pages 3 and 4.

    They hook into a little controller board http://www.cainetworks.com/products/webcontrol/webcontrol-faq.html
    that can read environmental data (or logic states) and turn X10 stuff on or off (and send emails).

    Cheers,
    Rich

    Edit:
    Got the FireCracker today, hacked it and now have control of my X-10 modules!
  • RCinFLA
    RCinFLA Solar Expert Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭✭
    Re: Led lights
    SteveK wrote: »
    I have measured the bulbs I listed above. They come out measuring the same wattage they are rated for. Very happy with these. I use some X10 circuits in our home. They will not work reliably with the CFL's (will not switch off) but the LED's work fine.

    It is the 'Lamp' dimmable modules that have problem with the CFL. Because the CFL with simple rectifier-filter has a current pulse, at peak of cycle when the triac in the dimmer module is triggered to turn it on, there may be no load current at that moment to latch on the triac, so it stays off.

    The 'appliance' modules have a latching mechanical relay contact on and off. (with an audible click) These work with anything (up to there 15 amp rating).
  • SteveK
    SteveK Solar Expert Posts: 387 ✭✭
    Re: Led lights
    RCinFLA wrote: »
    It is the 'Lamp' dimmable modules that have problem with the CFL. Because the CFL with simple rectifier-filter has a current pulse, at peak of cycle when the triac in the dimmer module is triggered to turn it on, there may be no load current at that moment to latch on the triac, so it stays off.

    The 'appliance' modules have a latching mechanical relay contact on and off. (with an audible click) These work with anything (up to there 15 amp rating).

    RC these are the appliance modules. The newer improved one's too. The circuit will switch on every time but will not switch off reliably. Thanks though. I wrote the CFL's off...
  • solar_dave
    solar_dave Solar Expert Posts: 2,397 ✭✭✭✭
    Re: Led lights

    FYI I have a bunch of X10 NIB if you guys are interested. I will sell cheap + shipping.

    Let me know and I will dig out what I have and list it.
  • Chuck46
    Chuck46 Solar Expert Posts: 95
    Re: Led lights

    I have been looking at info for LEDS and will sone begin to replace mr CFL's. If you google dimmable LED's I have found LED's @60 and 65 watts eq. for anywhere from $12.00 up to 24.95 each. To quote an old one "seek and ye shall find":D

    Chuck
  • Dave Angelini
    Dave Angelini Solar Expert Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Re: Led lights
    Chuck46 wrote: »
    I have been looking at info for LEDS and will sone begin to replace mr CFL's. If you google dimmable LED's I have found LED's @60 and 65 watts eq. for anywhere from $12.00 up to 24.95 each. To quote an old one "seek and ye shall find":D

    Chuck

    Right but I think what many want here is experience of how the lights look and work. They also want it from people they can relate to. A little different than rolling the dice on the internet!
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  • Chuck46
    Chuck46 Solar Expert Posts: 95
    Re: Led lights
    Right but I think what many want here is experience of how the lights look and work. They also want it from people they can relate to. A little different than rolling the dice on the internet!

    Understood, but sometimes you must roll the dice. Start with 1 and see how it works . What is a great option for one person is not nesscarally great for the next. So I belive in individual experiance as the great equalizer.

    Chuck
  • Cariboocoot
    Cariboocoot Banned Posts: 17,615 ✭✭✭
    Re: Led lights

    This thread caused me to look again at the display of Phillips LED bulbs in Home Depot yesterday. What I noticed:

    1). Colour temperature seems cold. (This is largely a matter of taste.)
    2). The selection is limited here. (They did not have the size for the lamp I wanted to replace.)
    3). The price is outrageous. (I could by three packs of halogens for the price of a single LED.)
    4). With our ultra-cheap BC Hydro rates the payback time is lengthy. (Probably an exaggeration to say the bulb would fail before paying for itself, but not by much.)

    I expect that eventually BC, which led the way with LED Christmas lights, will eventually catch up with civilization in this department. But will I live that long? :p
  • jagec
    jagec Solar Expert Posts: 157 ✭✭
    Re: Led lights

    Due to concerns about basement flooding during power outages, I recently put in a DIY backup sump pump (basically an automatic bilge pump connected to a marine battery on a float charger). Since I had the battery anyway, I figured that it should be able to at least give me some light in a power outage.

    Of course, LED is really the only way to go for such a small power system, so I built my own lamp from 2x12V LED car "headlights" that I got off ebay for $6. I know that they MUST be crap at that price, but they'll only be used in power outages, so I'm OK with a horrible bulb lifetime.

    They draw a combined 700 mA @ 12.4V = 8.7 W. The seller claimed that they throw out 400 lumens each. I have no idea how they are supposed to be at all useful for automotive applications, but they work OK as reading lights. The camera doesn't do a good job of capturing the apparent brightness, but any picture is better than none:

    ledlights001.jpg
    The color isn't too bad, actually, although it's still a bit colder than I'm used to. The lampshade is a must, as looking directly at the "bulbs" is unpleasant.

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  • Dave Angelini
    Dave Angelini Solar Expert Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Re: Led lights
    This thread caused me to look again at the display of Phillips LED bulbs in Home Depot yesterday. What I noticed:

    1). Colour temperature seems cold. (This is largely a matter of taste.)
    2). The selection is limited here. (They did not have the size for the lamp I wanted to replace.)
    3). The price is outrageous. (I could by three packs of halogens for the price of a single LED.)
    4). With our ultra-cheap BC Hydro rates the payback time is lengthy. (Probably an exaggeration to say the bulb would fail before paying for itself, but not by much.)

    I expect that eventually BC, which led the way with LED Christmas lights, will eventually catch up with civilization in this department. But will I live that long? :p


    Thanks Captain ! We went thru all this with CFL 10 years ago trying to get the color right. My wife looks at me with the "deer in headlight look" at going to LED too soon, again! They are great outside or in the man cave but the kitchen and living space must meet expectation!

    I may get the Costco FEIT's as I can return them.
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  • techntrek
    techntrek Solar Expert Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭
    Re: Led lights

    jagec - looks like you already have a dead LED, if you can open the module up you may want to see if its easily fixed, maybe a cracked solder joint. Thanks for the idea of a bilge pump, a friend has been going back-and-forth on how to keep his sump pumps going during an outage. One week he wants an inverter + battery, the next he wants a generator. Now I can really confuse him and suggest a bilge + battery. :-)
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  • jagec
    jagec Solar Expert Posts: 157 ✭✭
    Re: Led lights
    techntrek wrote: »
    jagec - looks like you already have a dead LED, if you can open the module up you may want to see if its easily fixed, maybe a cracked solder joint. Thanks for the idea of a bilge pump, a friend has been going back-and-forth on how to keep his sump pumps going during an outage. One week he wants an inverter + battery, the next he wants a generator. Now I can really confuse him and suggest a bilge + battery. :-)

    Yes, I noticed that...I guess you get what you pay for! At least they didn't wire the whole thing up in series like christmas lights.:p

    The bilge pump works quite well for me, but there are caveats. Even in heavy rainstorms, the water entering my sump is no more than a steady trickle, and so I was able to justify the use of a much smaller rating on the backup than the main unit. My main pump is rated at > 2000 gph at 8' of head, the backup at a mere 400 gph...at 3.3' of head.

    Due to this lower rating, the bilge discharges into the washing machine line to the sewer, which saves me about 6' of head. I justify this since it will only ever kick on in an EMERGENCY. Larger bilge pumps are certainly available, but this one draws a mere 1.2 A @ 12VDC...which allows me a full 100 hours of continuous runtime on a standard marine battery. Well in excess of my needs.

    This system set me back around $160 total, battery included. It's completely automatic, no human input needed...if the power goes out when I'm not there, the sump will kick in automatically as needed, and once it comes back, the battery will start recharging. The parasitic load on the DC side is zilch, and the AC side just needs enough to keep the battery topped off.

    If I'd decided to use an inverter to power my main sump, I'd need at least 1.2 kW of AC, and heaven knows how much inrush current. I'd have to leave it on 24/7 for it to be automatic, I wouldn't have any insurance against mechanical failure of the pump itself, and the runtime would be, shall we say, lower.;)
    Those big AC pumps are just about the worst possible things to run off of a battery.

    Some pictures if you're curious. My main sump has a cute little metal "shelf" above the float that I zip-tied the bilge pump to. Both floats operate smoothly, the pumps lift out as a unit, and the bilge won't kick on until the water is well above the set level for the main pump but still below the bottom of the drain pipes.

    http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3535/img2450s.jpg

    The battery is a 125-Ah marine 12V, sitting on a float charger. It powers the bilge pump, and a 12V "emergency" outlet in the living room for the LED lamp and a small MSW inverter.

    http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/2089/img2449ni.jpg
  • techntrek
    techntrek Solar Expert Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭
    Re: Led lights

    Perfect. If I had a basement I would order one right now. I like that its a backup for the primary pump in case of a non-electrical failure. Just need to convince him that its the best option for him, too.
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  • Shane Jackson
    Shane Jackson Solar Expert Posts: 49
    Re: Led lights

    Just wanted to let everyone know that the 40w equivalent LED's are on sale at lowes for $9.97 (yea the same price as home depot). However the lowes ones appear to be a little better made.

    I bought 1 today to see how it compared to CFL's.... worried it would be like going from a standard bulb to CFL.... yea CFL's suck in my opinion and I didn't have high hopes for the LED..... I must say the 7.5watt LED is WAY brighter than the 13w CFL it replaced. In fact it is probably brighter than a 23watt CFL. I couldn't be happier!

    My only grip is they are just too darn expensive.... I wonder if they will meet their life expectancy??? I have several CFL's burning out in less than 1 year with 2hrs a day max (less than 1,000 hours and most likely less than 500 hours).

    Shane
  • firerescue712
    firerescue712 Solar Expert Posts: 95 ✭✭
    Re: Led lights
    Just wanted to let everyone know that the 40w equivalent LED's are on sale at Lowe's for $9.97 (yea the same price as home depot). However the Lowe's ones appear to be a little better made.

    I bought 1 today to see how it compared to CFL's.... worried it would be like going from a standard bulb to CFL.... yea CFL's suck in my opinion and I didn't have high hopes for the LED..... I must say the 7.5watt LED is WAY brighter than the 13w CFL it replaced. In fact it is probably brighter than a 23watt CFL. I couldn't be happier!

    My only grip is they are just too darn expensive.... I wonder if they will meet their life expectancy??? I have several CFL's burning out in less than 1 year with 2hrs a day max (less than 1,000 hours and most likely less than 500 hours).

    Shane

    I bought the Home Depot and Lowe's 40-watt equivalent LEDs. It is hard to tell which is which. I also bought the 60-watt equivalent bright white LED at Home Depot. It is a bright white light. We use it in a lamp. You cannot tell it is an LED bulb. It uses 13 or 14 watts. The CFL that it replaced used the same wattage. No savings, just more money. I also bought the 12v LED computer lights described a few weeks back in here. They are GREAT for night lights. Again, this old dog is learning he doesn't know everything. Now, if those 60-watt equivalent LEDs would just go on sale.....
  • mike95490
    mike95490 Solar Expert Posts: 9,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Re: Led lights
    Just wanted to let everyone know that the 40w equivalent LED's are on sale at lowes for $9.97 (yea the same price as home depot). However the lowes ones appear to be a little better made.

    I bought 1 today to see how it compared to CFL's.... worried it would be like going from a standard bulb to CFL.... yea CFL's suck in my opinion and I didn't have high hopes for the LED..... I must say the 7.5watt LED is WAY brighter than the 13w CFL it replaced. In fact it is probably brighter than a 23watt CFL. I couldn't be happier!

    My only grip is they are just too darn expensive.... I wonder if they will meet their life expectancy??? I have several CFL's burning out in less than 1 year with 2hrs a day max (less than 1,000 hours and most likely less than 500 hours).

    Shane
    Got a part # for those Lowes LED's ???
    I was just there (11-5-11) and the only 9.98 bulb was a 15w eq, candelabra base 75 lumen, 3K kelvin, 50K hour lifetime #0164600, has poor dispersion pattern from the 1 emitter. The 40w eq LED they have on sale is $12.98
    ps - it's more decorative, and is going back, maybe I'll exchange it for the 40w eq on sale, with only 25K hour lifetime
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  • SteveK
    SteveK Solar Expert Posts: 387 ✭✭
    Re: Led lights

    Measured the PF of the $6.99 40W equiv LED bulbs I listed a couple pages back. Got .91PF...9 Watts...10 VA...not too shabby for a 120V LED I thought. :cool: Best part of these bulb is I dropped one from ceiling height. The glass globe/lens/dome shattered off but the LED continues to work a whole year later.

    Built for tough.
  • jagec
    jagec Solar Expert Posts: 157 ✭✭
    Re: Led lights

    With all the LED talk in this thread, I decided to stop by Home Depot today and see if anything caught my eye. I picked up the Philips AmbientLED 12.5W (60W equivalent) A19 bulb. It's certainly an odd-looking bulb, but it was "only" $25 and was one of the brighter LEDs available.

    When I got it home, I tried it in a desk lamp and in a dimmable ceiling can. The color is impressive--it LOOKS incandescent. And it's bright...brighter than the 14W CFL that it replaced in the desk lamp. It turns on with about a half-second delay, which is noticeable but not really annoying, and comes on fully bright.
    While it's not designed to be a floodlight, it performed adequately in the ceiling can, with light production similar to the 65W incandescent floods (side by side) and no annoying bright spots or glare. However, while it certainly dims better than dimmable CFLs (I'm still angry that I wasted my money on those abominations), it still didn't get nearly as dim as the incandescents, and the color goes from a reasonable warm white to a somewhat ghastly blue-tinged yellow.

    Conclusion: They have finally developed an LED bulb that is bright enough to use in the house. I love saving power, but simply can't put up with dim light in order to do so. The color is great, there is no flickering, glare, retina-burning points of light, or patterning problems. Assuming 5 hrs/day of use, this bulb will "pay itself back" in energy savings after 2 years, and should last until my retirement.

    But I'm still looking for ANYTHING that will perform as well as a generic incandescent floodlight. I've heard rumors of "intelligent" dimmable LEDs that actually shift their output to the red end of the spectrum when dimmed, but I haven't seen them, and most LED bulbs that I see are still woefully dim compared to what they're trying to replace.
  • Dave Angelini
    Dave Angelini Solar Expert Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Re: Led lights

    I picked up the Costco Par 30's by FEIT. They are listed as soft white 650 lumens, 13.5 watts, and dimmable. They are $31 and a very heavy heat sink with a 3 year any reason warranty. These are listed as 65 watt equivalent.

    They are not quite as warm as I would like but I agree with most of the others that they are very bright and save quite a bit of energy. We solved the color problem by leaving one of the CFL's in a can to even the color more.

    There is no flicker and they dim all the way to off. I am using a standard dimmer by Lutron.

    There is one size larger a Par 32 at cosco for $39 but I do not know if that would be needed by most. As others reported, they are a more focused light compared to a wide dispersion CFL in a can. I would like to try one of the Philips to compare.

    For Offgrid we use search mode in the winter and 4 of these will not pull the inverter on line with its existing settings. Maybe the Lutron dimmer is doing this, I do not know. Not a big deal.
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  • 2manytoyz
    2manytoyz Solar Expert Posts: 373 ✭✭✭
    Re: Led lights

    A couple of weeks ago, I purchased 4 LED spotlights to replace the lights in my kitchen. Bought these at Home Depot, about $28 each. Unlike many LED lights I've looked at, these weren't the very white, almost blue lights. These are a very warm color.

    I've had friends & family over to the house, and until I told them, they had no idea anything was different about the lighting. Good sign. There's no flicker, and no warm up time unlike many CFLs. There is a half second delay when turning on the switch before they turn on, but not an issue.

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    These are dimmable, but they are just connected to a switch.

    These are 75W equivalent according to the packaging. I believe it, these are bright! So went from 4 bulbs at 75W each (300W total) to 4 bulbs at 14W each (56W total). I will be connecting this lighting circuit to alt-power before long...

    I have other LED lighting that's only so/so. But these are great. If they last half as long as the rating, I'd be very happy. I'd certainly recommend giving these a try.